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Old 11-06-2008, 06:13 PM
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So Coa's ride on Lewis Michael wasn't the way to go?
if lewis michael was in fact good enough to be competitive, Coa and the LM's eagerness slaughtered his chances in that race. Speed was a toss in most situations.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:15 PM
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mike smith does wire to wire on the turf routes pretty well

everything else is pretty mediocre ,
but he did have a good thing going, with having by far the dominant closers and a track that was poison to speed. It's not like he was screwing up on Zenyatta and Stardom Bound and Tiago, so it wasn't terrible.
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Old 11-06-2008, 07:26 PM
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He sat a good trip and got him in the clear into the stretch. The horse had nothing IMO and I bet him.
"are you joking ?"


a length off a 45 half on a track that was absolutely killing pace runners.
Lewis Michael had a pretty nice finish in his previous race, it would have been nice to have given him a chance.

I really haven't bothered to decide if Coa or Lewis Michael was to blame, but it was an awful trip for that track.
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:19 PM
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How did that track that was absolutely killing pace runners affect the finish in the Juvenile? (2 races later and the next race on proride, with the turf mile before it) Are you joking?
inheriting the lead in 47 seconds when you are the dominant horse against allowance competition(juvenile), is much much easier than chasing a 45 second half when you are a fringe contender in a race with graded competition(synth mile).
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Old 11-06-2008, 08:59 PM
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It's a lot easier to call someone dominant after the fact. Regardless, YOU said the track was killing speed. I agree that a wide closing move was the best move on the track, but offered up an example of a race that didn't kill speed.

If you were Coa, considering you broke from the rail, with the short run into the turn, with a horse with tactical speed, what would you have done?
all the jockey tactics I happen to know are the armchair variety. If he could have let the fools on the pace go, and got the horse to settle back 3- 5 off the pace along the rail...
even if it left him with some work to have to fight his way back outside, I think it would have been optimal. Can't say whether that scenario would even have been possible

I don't know if it was coa's fault or the horse or just bad racing circumstance but the one thing i have an opinion on was that holding back and making one run was the best way to race that day.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:59 PM
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I thought Mike Smith retired.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:20 PM
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I thought Mike Smith retired.

Come on.....his rides on Stardom Bound and Zenyatta were fantastic. It's very very hard taking a closer to the back of the pack vs a inferior field and then looping by the hopeless bunch to win going away.
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