Just curious/Obama

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by GPK

Dala...in your opinion, had some tired ole white bread democrat career politician run on the platform of "Change" and "Yes We Can", do you think the majority of Americans would have rolled their eyes and thought "here we go again"?

I think it was his combination of intelligence and temperament that inspired people to believe in him, not the color of his skin.

[Antitrust32]

Mariah Carey is black?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think it was his combination of intelligence and temperament that inspired people to believe in him, not the color of his skin.

I think it was a mix of the two.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think it was his combination of intelligence and temperament that inspired people to believe in him, not the color of his skin.

For the most part, I believe this to be true. But to not acknowledge that were were a LOT of black people out there that voted on him strictly because he is a black man, and conversely, a lot of white people that wouldn't vote for him for that same reason, is turning a blind eye to the total truth.

I believe that there are many people out there, that if every word that McCain spoke would have come from Obama and every word that Obama spoke would have come from McCain, they still would have chosen the candidate that they did because it wasn't as much about what was said but who was saying them. I hope that I'm more wrong on this than I am right but I don't think I am.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the most part, I believe this to be true. But to not acknowledge that were were a LOT of black people out there that voted on him strictly because he is a black man, and conversely, a lot of white people that wouldn't vote for him for that same reason, is turning a blind eye to the total truth.

I believe that there are many people out there, that if every word that McCain spoke would have come from Obama and every word that Obama spoke would have come from McCain, they still would have chosen the candidate that they did because it wasn't as much about what was said but who was saying them. I hope that I'm more wrong on this than I am right but I don't think I am.

I think you are 100% correct

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the most part, I believe this to be true. But to not acknowledge that were were a LOT of black people out there that voted on him strictly because he is a black man, and conversely, a lot of white people that wouldn't vote for him for that same reason, is turning a blind eye to the total truth.

I believe that there are many people out there, that if every word that McCain spoke would have come from Obama and every word that Obama spoke would have come from McCain, they still would have chosen the candidate that they did because it wasn't as much about what was said but who was saying them. I hope that I'm more wrong on this than I am right but I don't think I am.

I agree on that and his being black certainly inspired more black people to go and vote that might have just stayed home otherwise. I doubt there were too many that would have voted Republican had the Democrat candidate been white though. I guess it would be interesting to see what would happen if a black man or woman ran on the Republican ticket.

And yeah, definitely true on people voting against him on the color of his skin. Hillary would have won West Virginia by 10 points and been competitive in Kentucky, Arkansas, and Tennessee. But she might not have inspired as many blacks to come out and vote in Virginia and North Carolina.

[geeker2]

Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?

No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by philcski

No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.

What about Monty?, and Garcia to a lesser extend. It's more of a US versus Non-US thing. The whole Ryder Cup thing has turned up the heat reguarding this issue.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by philcski

No.

Tiger Woods is accepted by 'whites' (and everyone else) because he's by far the greatest golfer that ever lived. End of story. Wouldn't matter if he was white, black, orange, green. Has no correlation to Obama's success.

As a counterpoint, I'd put Vijay Singh in the top 20 golfer list of all time and I dare say he is NOT accepted by 'white' America because of his semi-controversial nature.

I going to slightly disagree...the caveat I would add is it had an acceptance effect on "older" people. It's nice to see that the younger generations have become color blind - but I can tell you that for many older Americans (let's say in a range of late 40's plus) the life experience was not the case. So to see someone like Tiger who is considered "Black" and has had such success and has truly handled himself in such a "dignified human" way has helped the success of people like Obama.

He has demonstrated more than being a great golfer - he has demonstrated he is a very good human being...and...that is what makes the difference to those that would view him through older eyes.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I going to slightly disagree...the caveat I would add is it had an acceptance effect on "older" people. It's nice to see that the younger generations have become color blind - but I can tell you that for many older Americans (let's say in a range of late 40's plus) the life experience was not the case. So to see someone like Tiger who is considered "Black" and has had such success and has truly handled himself in such a "dignified human" way has helped the success of people like Obama.

He has demonstrated more than being a great golfer - he has demonstrated he is a very good human being...and...that is what makes the difference to those that would view him through older eyes.

He IS a great human being, which only increases his stature. Unfair of me to not note that previously. Tiger is the f*cking MAN.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Here a provoking thought...

Do you think the total acceptance of Tiger Woods by whites helped Obama?

I want Tiger for Prez!!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think it was his combination of intelligence and temperament that inspired people to believe in him, not the color of his skin.

see scott here is where i disagree with you - a lot in life is timing and luck

the democrats wanted the "anti war" candidate , they didn't get it in '04 , but . the thing that killed Hillary this year was that she was running against someone who did not have to cast a vote for "iraq authorization" in 2002

thus obama had the single greatest asset on his side that , edwards, biden ,dodd and clinton didn't have that luxury - edwards cam out early and said he made a mistake on the vote , hillary wouldn't budge , it became a constant thorne for her during the primarys

thus he had the clear path to the nomination because he was not in the senate and did not have to make a vote that the others had to do in 2002

now 86% of hillary voters went for obama in the general, do you really think that if it was hillary and not obama on the ticket that his supporters would have gone for mccain - i highly doubt it

the election was a cakewalk , all the problems that the country faced , no republican was going to win -

the key to obama winning was winning the primary , and democrats wanted to go for a candidate that did not have that vote for iraq in 2002 on their resume - it was that simple

[gales0678]

my aunt voted for obama (she votes democrat most of the time), she said the main reason was because sarah palin did not have eneough expiernce to be president and she was afraid mccain may not make the 4 yrs

so i asked here why she didn't vote for clinton in '92 against bush, her response was that she didn't think clinton was ready to be president

so i asked her why if she thought someone who had 2 terms as a governor was not ready to be president , but obama was she didn't have an answer for me...

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by gales0678

my aunt voted for obama (she votes democrat most of the time), she said the main reason was because sarah palin did not have eneough expiernce to be president and she was afraid mccain may not make the 4 yrs

so i asked here why she didn't vote for clinton in '92 against bush, her response was that she didn't think clinton was ready to be president

so i asked her why if she thought someone who had 2 terms as a governor was not ready to be president , but obama was she didn't have an answer for me...

You should have your Aunt committed -immediately !

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

my aunt voted for obama (she votes democrat most of the time), she said the main reason was because sarah palin did not have eneough expiernce to be president and she was afraid mccain may not make the 4 yrs

so i asked here why she didn't vote for clinton in '92 against bush, her response was that she didn't think clinton was ready to be president

so i asked her why if she thought someone who had 2 terms as a governor was not ready to be president , but obama was she didn't have an answer for me...

palin became governor in '06, which gives her two years. not two terms. big difference i would think.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Danzig

palin became governor in '06, which gives her two years. not two terms. big difference i would think.

I think he was referring to clinton.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I think he was referring to clinton.

oh, i see.

but clinton had more than two terms, so there goes that.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

palin became governor in '06, which gives her two years. not two terms. big difference i would think.

the person she didn't vote for that had 2 terms as a gov was Clinton
she said he wasn't ready , so i asked how she now knew obama who had less exp then uncle bill was ready , she couldn't answer

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

the person she didn't vote for that had 2 terms as a gov was Clinton
she said he wasn't ready , so i asked how she now knew obama who had less exp then uncle bill was ready , she couldn't answer

i think for many it came down to who they thought would be better, obama or palin. many may have thought mccain would be better than obama, but not so many thought it was a given that john mccain would finish his term, maudlin thought that may be.