What was McCain thinking?

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by _ed_

I'm not on welfare. In fact I'm working my ass off to pay my way through Law school.

But you put a pretty offensive label on a celebrating crowd, that I would have been a part of if I could, without having anything but the way they look to back it up.

No problem Ed. The only point I was trying to make is let's get abled bodied americans working again and off welfare. Good luck with law school I may need a good lawyer someday! Sorry for the confusion!

[_ed_]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

No problem Ed. The only point I was trying to make is let's get abled bodied americans working again and off welfare. Good luck with law school I may need a good lawyer someday! Sorry for the confusion!

Thanks.

Misunderstanding by me too, sorry about that.

[Payson Dave]

phew....that was a close one...thought for a second there that things were going to get outta control.....was almost ready to have Mommy Dearest step in with a "Be Nice"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

phew....that was a close one...thought for a second there that things were going to get outta control.....was almost ready to have Mommy Dearest to step in with a "Be Nice"

International incident averted

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by _ed_

Thanks.

Misunderstanding by me too, sorry about that.

I'm finding with age, that sometimes it's better off for me just to keep my mouth shut. I hope the man becomes a great president.

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I'm finding with age, that sometimes it's better off for me just to keep my mouth shut. I hope the man becomes a great president.

Go step in dogshit...right wing freak!!!

[Mike]

Originally Posted by estreetposse

Go step in dogshit...right wing freak!!!

Mr(Ms.?) estreet, in case you haven't noticed, we don't care for that kind of personal attack around here. This is a civil forum

[estreetposse]

Originally Posted by Mike

Mr(Ms.?) estreet, in case you haven't noticed, we don't care for that kind of personal attack around here. This is a civil forum

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

I just wish people who owned dogs would be more concientous about picking **** up off their lawns. Other than that, I like dogs.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Mike

Mr(Ms.?) estreet, in case you haven't noticed, we don't care for that kind of personal attack around here. This is a civil forum

[Mike]

fpsoxfan, I think they have been tightening up on the welfare system, I may be wrong.
Many people like to throw welfare out as the big problem, I don't think it ias bad as the SSI, mental disability system. Many, many able bodied young Americans are getting set up for SSI for the rest of their lives. Able bodied, and no more mentally ill than the average burnout. I know mental illness, I've worked with the mentally ill all of my life. There certainly are a lot of people who are mentally disabled and can't really keep a job in society. But, what I'm seeing is a very large % of the newer SSI recipients not mentally ill in the traditional sense(before the drug companies had a new pill for every emotional imperfection), they are low functioning, undisciplined, unmotivated and,dare I say it, lazy. And here where I live, they're all white.
What ever happened to shame?

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Mike

fpsoxfan, I think they have been tightening up on the welfare system, I may be wrong.
Many people like to throw welfare out as the big problem, I don't think it ias bad as the SSI, mental disability system. Many, many able bodied young Americans are getting set up for SSI for the rest of their lives. Able bodied, and no more mentally ill than the average burnout. I know mental illness, I've worked with the mentally ill all of my life. There certainly are a lot of people who are mentally disabled and can't really keep a job in society. But, what I'm seeing is a very large % of the newer SSI recipients not mentally ill in the traditional sense(before the drug companies had a new pill for every emotional imperfection), they are low functioning, undisciplined, unmotivated and,dare I say it, lazy. And here where I live, they're all white.
What ever happened to shame?

i respectfully hate to tell you, you're wrong. i have to deal with welfare recipients everyday. the madden thing is they, feel they are entitled to it!
we had a woman yesterday, that we cut her electric for non-payment. (CONP) about 3 weeks ago (and she's a regular). the bill + reconnection + deposit was almost $1000. she walks up the street to dept. of social services. DSS pays the ENTIRE bill. now 3 weeks later this woman is arguing to the point of being thrown out of city hall, that she is ENTITLED to get the deposit, 50 some odd $ + interest back! which she never paid one penny of. "no that goes back to the state". i could tell you 5-10 of these stories (or worse) everyday. i cut electric off yesterday on both sides of a double house while both sides were being (rental prop.) evicted. both sets of people sat in lawn chairs in the driveway drinking beer, smoking cigs and watching they're stuff set out on the street!

[Mike]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

i respectfully hate to tell you, you're wrong. i have to deal with welfare recipients everyday. the madden thing is they, feel they are entitled to it!
we had a woman yesterday, that we cut her electric for non-payment. (CONP) about 3 weeks ago (and she's a regular). the bill + reconnection + deposit was almost $1000. she walks up the street to dept. of social services. DSS pays the ENTIRE bill. now 3 weeks later this woman is arguing to the point of being thrown out of city hall, that she is ENTITLED to get the deposit, 50 some odd $ + interest back! which she never paid one penny of. "no that goes back to the state". i could tell you 5-10 of these stories (or worse) everyday. i cut electric off yesterday on both sides of a double house while both sides were being (rental prop.) evicted. both sets of people sat in lawn chairs in the driveway drinking beer, smoking cigs and watching they're stuff set out on the street!

Who shows up for most of the welfare recipients you see, men or women? From what I see, at the bottom of the socio-economic scale, men don't take part in the meetings, or any community service requirements that their might be for low income/disability services

What I've always said about a ton of welfare/faked disability recipients is, "They've always got plenty of money for cigarettes and a cell phone"

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by Mike

Who shows up for most of the welfare recipients you see, men or women? From what I see, at the bottom of the socio-economic scale, men don't take part in the meetings, or any community service requirements that their might be for low income/disability services

What I've always said about a ton of welfare/faked disability recipients is, "They've always got plenty of money for cigarettes and a cell phone"

Here, it's about equal, though more of the men are "disabled". in Md. they just walk up the street to DSS and if they meet some requirments they had them $$$ to pay thier energy bills. no community service, no meetings, nothing.

there is a girl on our system that has gotten OVER $5000 THIS Year alone to pay her electric bills. 7 children with 5 different men and pregnent with #8 ! does not work at all. i've been in this job 5 years full-time, as close as we could figure this girl has gotten OVER $20,000! just in my time. DSS keeps paying because "the chidren can't be without electric". where does it stop?
the old people are the ones i feel sorry for. we do all we can to help them. MOST of them WON'T go get help or Don't know where to go for help. the young ones are Trash! they know (or think they know) the system as well or better than we do....... it drives me crazy because i'm a "piece sh*t" or "racist" for doin MY JOB !

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by ddthetide

Here, it's about equal, though more of the men are "disabled". in Md. they just walk up the street to DSS and if they meet some requirments they had them $$$ to pay thier energy bills. no community service, no meetings, nothing.

there is a girl on our system that has gotten OVER $5000 THIS Year alone to pay her electric bills. 7 children with 5 different men and pregnent with #8 ! does not work at all. i've been in this job 5 years full-time, as close as we could figure this girl has gotten OVER $20,000! just in my time. DSS keeps paying because "the chidren can't be without electric". where does it stop?
the old people are the ones i feel sorry for. we do all we can to help them. MOST of them WON'T go get help or Don't know where to go for help. the young ones are Trash! they know (or think they know) the system as well or better than we do....... it drives me crazy because i'm a "piece sh*t" or "racist" for doin MY JOB !

With the "fearless leaders" plan, all those people would get earned tax credits, thereby increasing your tax burden....great plan!

[Payson Dave]

Originally Posted by Mike

fpsoxfan, I think they have been tightening up on the welfare system, I may be wrong.
Many people like to throw welfare out as the big problem, I don't think it ias bad as the SSI, mental disability system. Many, many able bodied young Americans are getting set up for SSI for the rest of their lives. Able bodied, and no more mentally ill than the average burnout. I know mental illness, I've worked with the mentally ill all of my life. There certainly are a lot of people who are mentally disabled and can't really keep a job in society. But, what I'm seeing is a very large % of the newer SSI recipients not mentally ill in the traditional sense(before the drug companies had a new pill for every emotional imperfection), they are low functioning, undisciplined, unmotivated and,dare I say it, lazy. And here where I live, they're all white.
What ever happened to shame?

Welfare/Social programs for the truly needy are clearly the honorable and righteous way to go.....manageing these programs such that the freeloaders are not afforded these benefits is apparently a near impossibility....imho the people that pay for these programs (the taxpayers) are generally not opposed to helping those in need... they are however frustrated and upset with having to incur the cost of supporting the otherwise "able-bodied/lazy/undeserving" freeloaders...
There are some who are cleary deserving of these many programs.....there are some who are only marginally deserving of these programs.....and there are some who are inappropriately milking the system....more effectively addressing the "milkers" would imho go a long ways towards reducing the frustrations of the people that pay for these programs....the problem of course is...Who is it that gets to decide if someone is clearly deserving, marginally deserving, or undeserving??????

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Payson Dave

Welfare/Social programs for the truly needy are clearly the honorable and righteous way to go.....manageing these programs such that the freeloaders are not afforded these benefits is apparently a near impossibility....imho the people that pay for these programs (the taxpayers) are generally not opposed to helping those in need... they are however frustrated and upset with having to incur the cost of supporting the otherwise "able-bodied/lazy/undeserving" freeloaders...
There are some who are cleary deserving of these many programs.....there are some who are only marginally deserving of these programs.....and there are some who are inappropriately milking the system....more effectively addressing the "milkers" would imho go a long ways towards reducing the frustrations of the people that pay for these programs....the problem of course is...Who is it that gets to decide if someone is clearly deserving, marginally deserving, or undeserving??????

There are alot of people that fall through the cracks in the system also