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Old 11-05-2008, 07:41 PM
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Getting back to the Palin issue, Gloria Steinem hit the nail on the head today...this was in no way the fault of Palin and if McCain's people try and blame her for the loss...well, they will incur the wrath of fair-minded folks I think. MCCain alone is at fault...he picked Palin afterall. It was a cheap political ploy designed to try and get some (they were arrogant enough to think many) Hillary supporters to cross over. It was an insult to all women to suggest they'd be gullible enough to ignore all the issues just to vote for a woman. McCain either didn't do his homework or simply didn't care about her politics (far right and in most cases directly opposed to the majority of women's views). As Ms Steinem pointed out in several op ed pieces, democratic women know Hillary Clinton and she is no Hillary Clinton. To assume that women would be blinded by her gender was a huge insult. Sure, Palin could have refused to run but what politician wouldn't jump at the chance? Now we hear from the McCain camp that she went rogue and became a diva, they try and make a big deal out of her wardrobe (the money given to her by the RNC by the way). I disagree with almost every one of Palin's views but I respect her for giving it her best...she didn't lose the election, McCain did!
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:07 PM
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...she didn't lose the election, McCain did!
What Republican could have beaten Obama
given 8 years of Bush and the amount of money
Obama had?

It was time. And timing is often the deciding factor.
The economy cratering was huge and McCain could
not do a thing about it. No Republican could.
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:09 PM
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Colin Powell perhaps could have given Obama a run for his money....
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:10 PM
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Colin Powell perhaps could have given Obama a run for his money....
Colin Powell had no desire to run for president.
He made that clear a while back.
But I agree if he had.
Although he would have had more problems exciting
a Republican base than McCain.
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:54 PM
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Colin Powell perhaps could have given Obama a run for his money....

in the democrat primary? the man is not a Republican
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Old 11-05-2008, 08:56 PM
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wasn't he at one time???

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Old 11-05-2008, 09:03 PM
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Yes Dave, Powell is a Republican. The problem is he's too honest for the Bush-Cheney crew and the Republican "base" that tried to perpetuate the fantasy that Sarah Palin was a qualified choice as VP. So now, angry Republicans are trying to smear the man they once fawned over
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:26 PM
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What difference does it make that it was last July. You said that it wasnt a crime. It obviously is.
Yes, you're right, I didn't think the act of registering nonexistent voters alone was a crime, and it is (and in the case you cite, charges were dropped and replaced with a fine and increased oversite requirements by the organization as the registration fraud was done by individuals hired by the org. to make money, not stuff ballot boxes with fake votes).

What I was thinking of was that while there have been lots of accusations of ACORN voting fraud over the past two months (such as the joke you made to Scav about ACORN registering and voting in his name) those accusations have been false regarding the voting fraud, as there has never been a case of ACORN being accused of or involved in voting fraud (a vote actually being cast via a false registration).
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Old 11-05-2008, 09:31 PM
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What Republican could have beaten Obama
given 8 years of Bush and the amount of money
Obama had?
Seriously, I think McCain and anybody not Palin would have made a darn close run of it.

The interesting poll number for me - and a huge help to McCain's losing - are the numbers of Republicans who stayed home and chose to not vote for anybody.
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Old 11-06-2008, 06:26 AM
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Seriously, I think McCain and anybody not Palin would have made a darn close run of it.

The interesting poll number for me - and a huge help to McCain's losing - are the numbers of Republicans who stayed home and chose to not vote for anybody.


It is just speculation and/or opinion but I'm not sure that McCain and anyone could have beaten the Democratic candidate....I'm a long time Republican and I respect John McCain...that being said I had serious concerns with he being the Republican nominee....I seriously doubt that the number of Republicans that stayed home really had much to do with Palin being on the Ticket....imho Palin is not the reason the republicans lost....Bush's unpopularity, and McCains age and support of Bush policies had imho way more to do with the outcome.
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