You can hear a pin drop during the McCain speech....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Isn't that the point though Chuck? It's less than 24 hours since he was elected. He's not even in office yet. The way some people are talking, no matter what he does the next 4 years it'll be a failure. It's silly.

Obama is walking into a s.hitstorm. Besides all of the stuff you mention he has the economy to deal with as well. Let's see what happens, because, like it or not he's your president for the next 4 years. Where is all of the outrage about what a horrendous President Bush was? He gets a pass from a lot of people here, while Obama hasn't even been sworn in yet and already some are sure he's going to be a failure.

Walking into a sh.itstorm is surely not ideal though it gives him a lot of excuses to change what he has proposed and gives him the "out" i'm sure we will hear alot, Bush's fault. I dont agree with alot of what his stances on issues, I think (so much of what is proposed by people running for office and so many of the platforms that are run on are bs to get elected) but I hope he works out.

Where is the outrage against Bush? You are kidding right? No president has ever been as savagely attacked as Bush has.

I think Obama is going to fail for a few reasons. Number one is that 46% of the country doesnt agree with his policies enough to vote for a party that has failed in many respects. It wont take that much to turn that 46% into 51%. Number 2 is that many of his policies are simply not feasible. Number three if Sharpton, Farrakahn, Boxer, Streisand, Franken, Schmuer, Frank (Barney not Lawerence), Trial lawyers, unions, Oprah, Rather, Ted Kennedy, etc are happy then people like me should not be because they are polar opposites on virtually every issue to business owners and people like me.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Trial lawyers, unions, Oprah, Rather, Ted Kennedy, etc are happy then people like me should not be because they are polar opposites on virtually every issue to business owners and people like me.

Wish I had a business as successful as Winfrey's. Richest self-made woman billionaire in the world.

Finally, a smart, intellectual president. As one of the lifelong Republican women that helped vote Obama into office, I'm thrilled and excited and damn glad he won.

Quick, someone call Caribou Barbie, tell her Sarkozy is on the phone and has a position in the French government she can fill ...

PS - one of my GOP friends swears he's gonna just load up the guns and hide in the bunker for the next four years ....

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wish I had a business as successful as Winfrey's. Richest self-made woman billionaire in the world.

Finally, a smart, intellectual president. As one of the lifelong Republican women that helped vote Obama into office, I'm thrilled and excited and damn glad he won.

Quick, someone call Caribou Barbie, tell her Sarkozy is on the phone and has a position in the French government she can fill ...

PS - one of my GOP friends swears he's gonna just load up the guns and hide in the bunker for the next four years ....

Being a billionaire doesnt make your politics and views kosher with everyone. see George Soros or Jerry Jones

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Being a billionaire doesnt make your politics and views kosher with everyone. see George Soros or Jerry Jones

No, but it probably makes you not "anti-business"

Seriously, you want in on the GOP bunker?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, but it probably makes you not "anti-business"

Seriously, you want in on the GOP bunker?

Billionaires are isolated from policies that effect businesses and hence they sometimes have extreme views from the guilt they feel from their own fortune.

Unlike some I refuse to believe the most liberal member of Congress is suddenly going to move to the center especially with majorities in the House and Senate. Because he IS smart I may be correct in guessing that he has outsmarted many that believe the hype. "Redistribute the wealth" is not a term that he has backdown from or is afraid to say. That one line in itself should say it all about where we are headed.

[Riot]

Billionaires are isolated from policies that effect businesses and hence they sometimes have extreme views from the guilt they feel from their own fortune.

Who confided this to you, Donald The Trump? I would guess the average billionaire would be quite able to lobby to form that policy (see GOP, 2000-2008)

Yes, I absolutely grant the average billionaire would be, I suspect, rather isolated from the financial storms average folks have to weather daily (in BERK- B shares I trust)

Unlike some I refuse to believe the most liberal member of Congress is suddenly going to move to the center especially with majorities in the House and Senate. Because he IS smart I may be correct in guessing that he has outsmarted many that believe the hype. "Redistribute the wealth" is not a term that he has backdown from or is afraid to say. That one line in itself should say it all about where we are headed

I do not like that line either. However, there is no money for campaign promises. There is financial chaos and government debt. Promises are one thing, reality another. I'll wait and see where we end up.

Originally Posted by Riot

I do not like that line either. However, there is no money for campaign promises. There is financial chaos and government debt. Promises are one thing, reality another. I'll wait and see where we end up.

Obama is not stupid.
There is no way health care, heavy taxes, and many
other things that might be possible in a healthy economy
will come to fruition in the form first dreamed about.

Reality is one thing this guy gets. And he has shown
a history of being a guy who sits back and listens, and
then makes diplomatic realistic decisions. But it still is unclear
how much can actually be accomplished with so many mistakes
to clean up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Who confided this to you, Donald The Trump? I would guess the average billionaire would be quite able to lobby to form that policy (see GOP, 2000-2008)

Yes, I absolutely grant the average billionaire would be, I suspect, rather isolated from the financial storms average folks have to weather daily (in BERK- B shares I trust)



I do not like that line either. However, there is no money for campaign promises. There is financial chaos and government debt. Promises are one thing, reality another. I'll wait and see where we end up.

Actually I was listening to a very wealthy man talk about it sometime ago and have never forgot it.

Do you really think that the influence of the mega rich started in 2000?

So you voted for a guy who made promises that are in your view are unlikely to actually happen?

[Payson Dave]

I'm thinking that expressing that which one thinks.... and the reasons for thinking so, is not necessarilly the same as declaring someone a failure.

It will be interesting to see how Obama keeps
the divisive democrats mouths and actions out of the way.
People like Sharpton and Jackson will meet the wall of shun.
Pelosi and others will have to work with Rep. as will Harry Reid.
Reid is going to have to be more consiliatory, or I think he
might be asked by the Democrats to step aside as the new
president has a job to do... and it does not involve creating hatred.

The man has been elected by the mainstream. For those that
think the country is going to become a socialist-leftist country
you have got a big suprise coming. Obama is already trying to get
Clinton's man that made the big welfare cuts, etc... on board.

Obama might have more difficulty with the left of his own party.
I would not be suprised to see him referred to as an Uncle Tom
after things all get sorted out and he gets down to work.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

In regards to Bush I meant on here. Had he been a democrat, I can only imagine the things that would have been said about him.

While 46% don't agree, I think it's a leap of faith to think that that whole number doesn't agree with his policies. Whether we like it or not, there is a percentage of this country that would never have voted for him, based on his skin color. Just like we know that some people voted for him completely based on color and probably have no idea what his policies are. I think you're giving people too much credit.

All I'm saying is, before we declare him a failure, can he at least be sworn in?

What i mean with the %'s is that it wont take much to lose the faith of the % in the so called middle that voted for him. He has promised much during a very tough time with uncertain changes on the horizon many beyond the control of Obama or the US in general. Whether you like or support Bush you have to admit that 9/11 changed the landscape and was impossible to forsee in 2000. I am making the assumption that being a one term president will be considered a failure. Even though he certainly wont be to blame for all that goes wrong, with a Democratic congress he wont have much leeway.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Even though he certainly wont be to blame for all that goes wrong, with a Democratic congress he wont have much leeway.

I think he is going to lay down the law fairly early to
those Democrats, while he still has the Democratic
mandate. Some of the democrats further left that
just like to make trouble are going to see some discipline
interjected while it still works. Imo Obama very clearly
understands the mess we are in.