You can hear a pin drop during the McCain speech....

philcski · #1 11-05-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you assume way too much. your hypothetical assumption that I would vote against McCain if he were a Democrat leaves out who the Republican would be running against him. I would have no trouble voting for McCain as a Democrat if say the Republican nominee were Huckabee. I would have voted for Hillary Clinton before Huckabee. Obama vs. Huckabee would have left me no choice but to blow my brains out.

Rooting for the home team is not my style in politics. I'm in it for the principles, not to get free stuff or to say "hey, our local guy won". Are you proud of all politicians from your neck of the woods irrespective of their policies?

HELLS no. I'm a New Yorker through and through but the red tape in this state has really got me hot and bothered lately. I didn't even get to vote because of it. http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=28

I understand your discounting of Huckabee. He was too right for even the most conservative Republicans. Where does Obama fall down from a policy perspective for you? Don't tell me taxes... because I'm 100% sure you don't make enough money to have it hurt you (as do 98% of the population).

So you know, for full disclosure, I was a Hillary supporter but I would have voted for Obama (if given the chance)- the decision being made when Palin was selected as McCain's VP (which HAD to be taken into account given his age and health). McCain on a standalone basis, while I disagree with his anti-gambling policies and military stance, he'd have been a fine leader of this great country. If it was Edwards vs. McCain, McCain would have gotten my vote. Financially, he'd have made more sense for me. But Obama really reminds me of what I've read about Lincoln. Please do your best to stand behind him and not take a radical right stance against that the world is over.

Mortimer · #2 11-05-2008, 12:26 PM

Steven H. Crsit,Philski.

A Hillary supporter??

Are you nuts!! ...or what?

philcski · #3 11-05-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Steven H. Crsit,Philski.

A Hillary supporter??

Are you nuts!! ...or what?

I thought she looked SEXY in her business suit.

Actually, I was looking forward to 4 more years of Billy in the White House!

GBBob · #4 11-05-2008, 12:32 PM

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

SniperSB23 · #5 11-05-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

The McCain/Palin ticket was so bad that they won their home states of Arizona and Alaska by LESS of a margin than Bush won them by in 2004. Romney would have been a much better choice.

Danzig · #6 11-05-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

i think mccain/just about anyone could have won it.
palin was too much like bush, really. the thought of her being president if mccain was to pass in office was just too much for many to imagine happening, let alone have to deal with in reality. that's the main reason he lost. i told my husband months ago that generally the vp slot doesn't matter, but that this time it would matter quite a bit. and mccain absolutely blew it.

ArlJim78 · #7 11-05-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I still think McCain/Romney defeats or is a lot closer vs Obama/Clinton

Romney would have been a positive from an economic background standpoint, Palin negativity would have been neutrailized and there is a lot of hatred for anything Clinton that Biden didn't have to overcome

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

dalakhani · #8 11-05-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

why humiliate yourself further with these lame excuses? You had this election all wrong. It wasnt just a victory...it was an utter beat down. A thrashing. A stomping of epic proportions.

If it had been close, i could buy some of this crap but it wasnt even close.

Cannon Shell · #9 11-05-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

why humiliate yourself further with these lame excuses? You had this election all wrong. It wasnt just a victory...it was an utter beat down. A thrashing. A stomping of epic proportions.

If it had been close, i could buy some of this crap but it wasnt even close.

Perhaps you need to do a little research. This was hardly a thrashing or were any epic proportions reached. Obama won with 53% of the popular vote. 22 states favored McCain. 56 million American citizens voted against Obama. 1956, 1964, 1972 or 1984, those were thrashings.

dalakhani · #10 11-05-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Perhaps you need to do a little research. This was hardly a thrashing or were any epic proportions reached. Obama won with 53% of the popular vote. 22 states favored McCain. 56 million American citizens voted against Obama. 1956, 1964, 1972 or 1984, those were thrashings.

The electorals are what count my friend. It wasnt even close.

philcski · #11 11-05-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

maybe marginally better with Romney, who was my choice, but I still think that any Republican ticket would have been demolished in much the same way McCain/Palin was. Two things make me say that; the 3:1 spending advantage in favor of Obama, there is simply no way to easily overcome that; and the overwhelming and unprecendented media bias towards Obama. Its hard to put a value on that.

spending advantage = important... but where was the Republican $$ in this election? I don't see why the GOP allowed this to happen. They have access to plenty of funds, too.

media bias: not true. Simply not true. I don't know why so many people are using this as an excuse today.

ArlJim78 · #12 11-05-2008, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

spending advantage = important... but where was the Republican $$ in this election? I don't see why the GOP allowed this to happen. They have access to plenty of funds, too.

media bias: not true. Simply not true. I don't know why so many people are using this as an excuse today.

Obama reneged on public financing. McCain didn't. Also Obama took money from god only knows where because they didn't even bother to check where the money was coming for. Personally I expect this funding issue to be one of his first scandals. I don't know how it can just be overlooked. however with one party rule a lot can be swept under the rug so who knows.

as far as the media bias, its not even debatable, I don't know how a fairminded person could miss it. The mask has been dropped this time resulting in outright advocacy. Its gotten so bad that even people from with the industry themselves are speaking out against it. It's not an excuse its just a fact.

Mike · #13 11-05-2008, 05:02 PM

Jim, what should the media do? Do you want a free press? Then the press is free to call it as they see it, no? The choice of Palin was a disgrace, an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Only a suppressed media or a moronic media could endorse the ticket.

Danzig · #14 11-05-2008, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Obama reneged on public financing. McCain didn't. Also Obama took money from god only knows where because they didn't even bother to check where the money was coming for. Personally I expect this funding issue to be one of his first scandals. I don't know how it can just be overlooked. however with one party rule a lot can be swept under the rug so who knows.
as far as the media bias, its not even debatable, I don't know how a fairminded person could miss it. The mask has been dropped this time resulting in outright advocacy. Its gotten so bad that even people from with the industry themselves are speaking out against it. It's not an excuse its just a fact.

wasn't it one party rule during bushes first six years? did you mind it then?
also, donations to a party fall under first amendment rights, don't they?

timmgirvan · #15 11-05-2008, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski

HELLS no. I'm a New Yorker through and through but the red tape in this state has really got me hot and bothered lately. I didn't even get to vote because of it. http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...8&postcount=28

I understand your discounting of Huckabee. He was too right for even the most conservative Republicans. Where does Obama fall down from a policy perspective for you? Don't tell me taxes... because I'm 100% sure you don't make enough money to have it hurt you (as do 98% of the population).

So you know, for full disclosure, I was a Hillary supporter but I would have voted for Obama (if given the chance)- the decision being made when Palin was selected as McCain's VP (which HAD to be taken into account given his age and health). McCain on a standalone basis, while I disagree with his anti-gambling policies and military stance, he'd have been a fine leader of this great country. If it was Edwards vs. McCain, McCain would have gotten my vote. Financially, he'd have made more sense for me. But Obama really reminds me of what I've read about Lincoln. Please do your best to stand behind him and not take a radical right stance against that the world is over.

Comparing Lincoln to Obama is like comparing a Ferrari to a Volkswagon