Israelis ... Just Plain Stupid Or What?

[Byebyemermaid]

Israel has never started a war.This one was started because of 2 soldiers being kidnapped by Hezbollah,not to mention the one kidnapped by the Palestinians.The Muslim population accounts for 20% of the worlds population.To this day they have 7 Nobel prize winners.The jews account for 0.02 % of the worlds population and have over 100 Nobel prize winners,and lets not get into the other contribution to society.After the holocaust one of the darkest times our world has seen did the Jews go and blame the whole world,start yelling for revenge,teach there children to become suicide bombers,dance in the streets at catastrophes (WTC),hijack planes,kill olympic athletes.Did they have the type of money that oil is now producing?If a certain part of this world adopting a more standard form of education like,math,physics and medicine instead of blaming someone else for there plight in life maybe there lives would be better also.

[Downthestretch55]

Mermaid,
I find a lot to agree with in what you say.
My quest has been to find peaceful solutions to the problems that cause hatred.
Here's something you might find interesting.

http://www.jesusforjews.org/files/je..._jews_book.pdf

Shalom,
DTS

[SentToStud]

Way too much pro-Israeli righteous indignation still going on.

It's truly debateable that the 2 IDF soldiers were kidnapped from Israel. Much, if not most, of the world believes the Lebanese police who say otherwise.

Think or believe what you wish. But remember, just because you think it does not make it so. I prefer to have an open mind when viewing the world.

I find it is much better to develop my own opinions instead of blindly believing what people say and write.

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348

[Byebyemermaid]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Way too much pro-Israeli righteous indignation still going on.

It's truly debateable that the 2 IDF soldiers were kidnapped from Israel. Much, if not most, of the world believes the Lebanese police who say otherwise.

Think or believe what you wish. But remember, just because you think it does not make it so. I prefer to have an open mind when viewing the world.

I find it is much better to develop my own opinions instead of blindly believing what people say and write.

http://english.bna.bh/?ID=47348

Whether you want to believe whether they were kidnapped is your perogative.The other things i stated are factual.No matter who you are if you're constantly blaming someone else it's a prescription for failure.I'll give you 2 examples,myself being the first.There was a time i blamed my company because i wasn't earning enough.15 years ago i took a long look at myself and realized it was me and that instead of blaming them,maybe i need to put that wasted energy into my job.And mind you i was going nowhere.Today i love my job and treat it like it's my own business.Thanks to my change of attitude other things fell into place.I'm married with 2 wonderful kids and wife with a house,dog,cat,hamster and 2 fish.none of this i could ever of attained with the path i had been on.The 2nd example is friends of my parents who we have out at our house at least once a year.What do these 4 couples have in common all survivors of the holocaust with there tattoos as reminders.The wives were not able to have children because of experiments that were done on them,and 2 of the couples were in the death march out of Auschwitz walking through the forest naked.These people could have lived the rest of there lives blaming the Germans but instead of looking back they looked ahead and all were very prosperous having come to the United States with nothing.In fact 2 of them drive Mercedes.My point is when you wake up every day and do nothing but harbor resentment and use all your energy no matter what nationality for that your doomed.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

Whether you want to believe whether they were kidnapped is your perogative.The other things i stated are factual.No matter who you are if you're constantly blaming someone else it's a prescription for failure.I'll give you 2 examples,myself being the first.There was a time i blamed my company because i wasn't earning enough.15 years ago i took a long look at myself and realized it was me and that instead of blaming them,maybe i need to put that wasted energy into my job.And mind you i was going nowhere.Today i love my job and treat it like it's my own business.Thanks to my change of attitude other things fell into place.I'm married with 2 wonderful kids and wife with a house,dog,cat,hamster and 2 fish.none of this i could ever of attained with the path i had been on.The 2nd example is friends of my parents who we have out at our house at least once a year.What do these 4 couples have in common all survivors of the holocaust with there tattoos as reminders.The wives were not able to have children because of experiments that were done on them,and 2 of the couples were in the death march out of Auschwitz walking through the forest naked.These people could have lived the rest of there lives blaming the Germans but instead of looking back they looked ahead and all were very prosperous having come to the United States with nothing.In fact 2 of them drive Mercedes.My point is when you wake up every day and do nothing but harbor resentment and use all your energy no matter what nationality for that your doomed.

Well, I appreciate all that. My Armenian grandmother was the only child (of 8) to survive the genocide. They lived in Keyseri, in central Turky.

I don't misguide my energies (at least not as much as my wife says). I guess it's good that you figured out the work thing. It's no fun being in a bad position at a bad company. Hell, I know what that's like too.

I live in a south Florida neighborhood with lots of Jewish neighbors. They're all good people for the most part. Sure there's some that look at me sideways, but that's true of any nationality. I actually get along far better with the more senior neighbors as I find the stories of the "old country" always interesting whatever the heritage of the person telling the tale.

The wives you mention are surely victims. So are my realatives still in Baghdad. However, neither really has more importance than the other in how I see the world. I'm not a fan of the current Israeli politics and I see the world different than you. If that's a sin, then by all means string me up.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Byebyemermaid

Israel has never started a war.This one was started because of 2 soldiers being kidnapped by Hezbollah,not to mention the one kidnapped by the Palestinians.The Muslim population accounts for 20% of the worlds population.To this day they have 7 Nobel prize winners.The jews account for 0.02 % of the worlds population and have over 100 Nobel prize winners,and lets not get into the other contribution to society.After the holocaust one of the darkest times our world has seen did the Jews go and blame the whole world,start yelling for revenge,teach there children to become suicide bombers,dance in the streets at catastrophes (WTC),hijack planes,kill olympic athletes.Did they have the type of money that oil is now producing?If a certain part of this world adopting a more standard form of education like,math,physics and medicine instead of blaming someone else for there plight in life maybe there lives would be better also.

So, to better understand your points here, are you saying that we should choose sides based on the number of nobel prize winners one culture has over the other? Or how they respond to catastrophe? Or how a percentage of the population chooses to act?

Do arabs have a righteous beef as far as blaming other for the plight of some of their citizens? Perhaps you should read your history books before you answer.

Beyond any of that, why should we "choose" if we are going to side with Jew or Arab? I dont side with either. My point is that US policy has been unfair toward Arabs and has been a little too Pro Israel. But that doesnt mean im "anti israel" and it doesnt mean im "pro arab". Why do we have to be labeled for having an opinion?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So, to better understand your points here, are you saying that we should choose sides based on the number of nobel prize winners one culture has over the other? Or how they respond to catastrophe? Or how a percentage of the population chooses to act?

Do arabs have a righteous beef as far as blaming other for the plight of some of their citizens? Perhaps you should read your history books before you answer.

Beyond any of that, why should we "choose" if we are going to side with Jew or Arab? I dont side with either. My point is that US policy has been unfair toward Arabs and has been a little too Pro Israel. But that doesnt mean im "anti israel" and it doesnt mean im "pro arab". Why do we have to be labeled for having an opinion?

The old, worn-out "moral equivalence" dodge.

Here's a little clue for you ... there can't be moral equivalence ... because the terrorists are toally amoral.

Your lame attempts to spin your abiding hatred ... are both pathetic and transparent.

[SentToStud]

ok, BB is off track again. The topic, of course, is whether the actions of Israel kidnapping the Lebanese grocer were dumb, cruel or whatever.

All we've gotten from this "raving radical" is that terrorism is bad. Well, this is not 3rd grade and yes, terrorism is bad.

Why is it that anyone who questions the Israeli government the "cut and run" Bold Brook already wants out of office has to be a Jew Hater and Terrorist supporter in need of a refresher course on the Holocoust? We all know about it as well as the Armenian genocide.

Rational people have the common skill of discourse and at least staying on topic.

This ranting, raving radical apparently lacks this skill, among many others.

But, Bold Brook, that's ok. There are many like you out there, though dwindling in numbers. You're safe in the cocoon for now. But be careful about what you read. You may actually learn something.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

So, to better understand your points here, are you saying that we should choose sides based on the number of nobel prize winners one culture has over the other? Or how they respond to catastrophe? Or how a percentage of the population chooses to act?

Do arabs have a righteous beef as far as blaming other for the plight of some of their citizens? Perhaps you should read your history books before you answer.

Beyond any of that, why should we "choose" if we are going to side with Jew or Arab? I dont side with either. My point is that US policy has been unfair toward Arabs and has been a little too Pro Israel. But that doesnt mean im "anti israel" and it doesnt mean im "pro arab". Why do we have to be labeled for having an opinion?

Dala,
I agree with your last paragraph.
Your first paragraph is especially interesting. Most people do not know that the origins of "modern medicine", and the location of the first "hospital" was in the land clled Mesopotamia, the land between the rivers. Surgeries were preformed there.
This was happening when Europeans were practicing "bleeding" and tying garlic around their necks to ward off diseases.
And many know that our system of numeration, called "Arabic numerals", originated and was dispersed by Arab traders.
The Jewish people also have made significant contributions to science, economics, and modern philosophy.
It amazes me that both groups trace their lineage to Abraham, have both built on the findings of each other, and form trading alliances (Venice for example) in the past when they found respect and trust for each other.
I hope to see the day when both groups put aside their hatred and attempt restoration of a forward path wherein mutual gain rather than destruction is quested.
DTS

[Downthestretch55]

The next round.....
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[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

The next round.....
http://apnews.myway.com//article/200...D8JRG6LO0.html

I frankly think Israel is being more than reasonable here, they are indeed attempting to do what everybody seems to want...sure, they are going slow but can you blame them? The blockade should be lifted as soon as the UN forces are in place and the area "secure" (only time will define the meaning of that word in this case). The Israeli government must do all it can to safeguard the lives of it's people and any pull out leaves them wide open to blame should the terrorists attack...tough place to be in! I pray that the cease-fire holds because as Pgardn and others have correctly stated, further murderous acts by the terrorists will bring a different sort of response from Israel and nobody not wanting their promised flocks of virgins and goats wants that!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I frankly think Israel is being more than reasonable here, they are indeed attempting to do what everybody seems to want...sure, they are going slow but can you blame them? The blockade should be lifted as soon as the UN forces are in place and the area "secure" (only time will define the meaning of that word in this case). The Israeli government must do all it can to safeguard the lives of it's people and any pull out leaves them wide open to blame should the terrorists attack...tough place to be in! I pray that the cease-fire holds because as Pgardn and others have correctly stated, further murderous acts by the terrorists will bring a different sort of response from Israel and nobody not wanting their promised flocks of virgins and goats wants that!

Somerfrost,
I'm inclined to agree with you on much of what you say.
Just my "take" is that not much is "secure". Ohmert seems to be defending his decisions from the inside. On the outside, the risks remain.
"A tough place to be in" might be the understatement of the century.
I also hope that the cease-fire holds. If it doesn't, we all could be in for a world of sh-t.
These are dangerous times.
DTS