Vineyard Haven Sold...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't see why it can't be some of both. He takes bad purchases and combines it with not giving them every advantage to win. Really good horses can overcome things. Average or bad ones can't.

Of course Pletcher has had much more success here than the Sheikh has. But not when it comes to the Derby.

Really? Has the Sheik hit the board in the KY Derby?

The point isn't that he's failed, it's that he has failed miserably, year after year. A huge percentage of the horses he sends to Dubai to prep for American races don't show up until Saratoga, at the earliest. He's not even coming close.

But, you now suggest it's a combination of both, but this belies your initial post in this thread, as do some of your other remarks....

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I like it. If he can stay healthy, I think this finally gives them a legit shot at winning the Derby and I've been rooting for that for a long time. I don't believe that wintering in Dubai is a disadvantage.

So, can you please clarify it all for me now, and tell me which posts represent your true opinion on this. They can't all do that.

[King Glorious]

I don't think that saying that he's not giving them every advantage is the same as saying it's a disadvantage. And again, I'm not saying that he couldn't have more success doing it our way instead of his. My argument has been with those that automatically write off the chances of those that are sent over there saying it can't be done. I think it can but only with the right horse.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think that saying that he's not giving them every advantage is the same as saying it's a disadvantage. And again, I'm not saying that he couldn't have more success doing it our way instead of his. My argument has been with those that automatically write off the chances of those that are sent over there saying it can't be done. I think it can but only with the right horse.

I'm still confused........

It feels contradictory but whatever.

[Bobby Fischer]

i just don't like the way his left-front looks when he strides.

goldolphin bashing aside

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Are you a vet or something? Any experience working with horses?

take a look at the head ons from the calracing replays. Watch the left front during the stretch runs.

i'll post a .gif or something if i get a chance

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't think that saying that he's not giving them every advantage is the same as saying it's a disadvantage. And again, I'm not saying that he couldn't have more success doing it our way instead of his. My argument has been with those that automatically write off the chances of those that are sent over there saying it can't be done. I think it can but only with the right horse.

Not giving them every advantage IS a disadvantage. Not giving them every advantage = going to Dubai. Look at Shadwell. Shiek Hamdan, Mo's bro., he has had much more success here winning a bc classic, the belmont and having two horses recently win eclipse awards.
Shiek Mo's whole focus is proving he can have a horse trained in Dubai and then win the Derby. He gobbles up every two year old that wins impressively. Yet, where has he been in the classic races? You are a fan who has been "rooting for this" for awhile. I've learned that being a fan can really distort your objectivity. It sure does mine. If he does win the derby this way, it is going to have to be a horse like Secretariat/Slew. But I wonder, how many has he had that might have been THE HORSE already.

[Danzig]

i think that one thing darley ignores is shipping...we all know that shipping can be hard on a horse, and they do it often, with young stock. they buy here, spend time in quarantine, and then travel. and then a few months later, do it again-while trying to prepare for what is probably the toughest race they'll ever attempt.
perhaps if they concentrated on getting good horses and doing right by them, instead of trying to make the horses fit their mold, they'd have a better thing going each spring. you have to follow the horses cues if you want good results.
blues and royals a few years back was one of their most promising horses. he missed all three classics from illness after shipping here from dubai, eventually succumbing to shipping fever. yet they continue to try. why? seems counter-productive.
but then...he buys horses here to ship to dubai for their carnival-that hasn't worked too well either. how's thor's echo these days?

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think that one thing darley ignores is shipping...we all know that shipping can be hard on a horse, and they do it often, with young stock. they buy here, spend time in quarantine, and then travel. and then a few months later, do it again-while trying to prepare for what is probably the toughest race they'll ever attempt.
perhaps if they concentrated on getting good horses and doing right by them, instead of trying to make the horses fit their mold, they'd have a better thing going each spring. you have to follow the horses cues if you want good results.
blues and royals a few years back was one of their most promising horses. he missed all three classics from illness after shipping here from dubai, eventually succumbing to shipping fever. yet they continue to try. why? seems counter-productive.
but then...he buys horses here to ship to dubai for their carnival-that hasn't worked too well either. how's thor's echo these days?

excellent post

[Linny]

I have sen all but VH's debut and not seen anthing strange. Besides I would get that Frankel vetted him and that Sheik MO did the same. Unless you have more data and experience that Sh. Mo's vets, it's not worthy of comment.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Linny

I have sen all but VH's debut and not seen anthing strange. Besides I would get that Frankel vetted him and that Sheik MO did the same. Unless you have more data and experience that Sh. Mo's vets, it's not worthy of comment.

Actually, Frankel said publically that he didn't vet him before buying him. However, I'm quite sure the Sheik did.....especially after he consulted with Fischer.

[Bobby Fischer]

i could make a lot of wealthy kings more wealthy and more successful in their hobbies...




...but this seeing a 3 legged horse is nothing special.