To Sleep at Night...

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I must vote for McCain. The other guy, as eloquently as he may deliver a speech, is a joke.

He mentions "hope" and "change" quite a bit, but never mentions "freedom". I believe that those who call him a Marxist or a Communist are more right than they are wrong.

McCain has an uphill fight to say the least. But imagine how angry I'd be if I helped to put the other guy in office when he and the filibuster-proof Democratic Congress ramrod every stupid idea they have down our throats.

That's it. Just expressing an opinion, though many here may disagree. That is your right...at least until Obama may take office.

Try to soak in all the memories you can of the freedom you once had.

You mean like wiretaps?

[joeydb]

Are you referring to the wiretaps that should have been performed on or before 9/10/2001?

Which of the following is preferable:

Option A - Feds listen to conversations when automated machinery picks up words and phrases like "Bomb" and "Death to USA", an analyst hangs up when you start reading your grocery list, but occasionally we find and interdict terrorist attacks BEFORE they occur.

or

Option B - Feds listen to nothing, even the overt planning of the next 9/11-like attack, and we lose tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. And, last time I checked, getting killed by an enemy of the country classifies as a violation of the victim's rights.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Are you referring to the wiretaps that should have been performed on or before 9/10/2001?

Which of the following is preferable:

Option A - Feds listen to conversations when automated machinery picks up words and phrases like "Bomb" and "Death to USA", an analyst hangs up when you start reading your grocery list, but occasionally we find and interdict terrorist attacks BEFORE they occur.

or

Option B - Feds listen to nothing, even the overt planning of the next 9/11-like attack, and we lose tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. And, last time I checked, getting killed by an enemy of the country classifies as a violation of the victim's rights.

How about the wiretaps that were done without a warrant?????????????

[joeydb]

One logistical problem:

Since the "wiretaps" in question were actually listening over-the-air to conversations where one party was outside of the U.S., how do you get a warrant and serve that warrant to the individual outside the U.S? This does not even take into account the fact that the conversation may last only a few minutes and it takes hours to get an explicit warrant.

Of course warrants are rightfully sought in 99% of criminal investigations, but what do you do in this case?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

One logistical problem:

Since the "wiretaps" in question were actually listening over-the-air to conversations where one party was outside of the U.S., how do you get a warrant and serve that warrant to the individual outside the U.S? This does not even take into account the fact that the conversation may last only a few minutes and it takes hours to get an explicit warrant.

Of course warrants are rightfully sought in 99% of criminal investigations, but what do you do in this case?

The wiretaps were made on phone calls placed to the united states. No logistical problem at all.

The wiretaps were illegal and unconstitutional. There really isnt anything to be debated.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Are you referring to the wiretaps that should have been performed on or before 9/10/2001?

Which of the following is preferable:

Option A - Feds listen to conversations when automated machinery picks up words and phrases like "Bomb" and "Death to USA", an analyst hangs up when you start reading your grocery list, but occasionally we find and interdict terrorist attacks BEFORE they occur.

or

Option B - Feds listen to nothing, even the overt planning of the next 9/11-like attack, and we lose tens or hundreds of thousands of Americans. And, last time I checked, getting killed by an enemy of the country classifies as a violation of the victim's rights.

Where in the world do you come up with this garbage?

You understand that criminals are alot smarter then to be talking on the phone about blowing up a building or taking someone out. Haven't you seen the movie Casino where they are using code words on the phone or they are having their wives talk for 30 seconds and THEN they are having a conversation?

I am guessing you live in Nebraska and you just built a hurricane bunker there.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Scav

Where in the world do you come up with this garbage?

You understand that criminals are alot smarter then to be talking on the phone about blowing up a building or taking someone out. Haven't you seen the movie Casino where they are using code words on the phone or they are having their wives talk for 30 seconds and THEN they are having a conversation?

I am guessing you live in Nebraska and you just built a hurricane bunker there.

So the criminals are so smart we shouldn't listen at all right? Brilliant. I guess that's why there are 1.3 million incarcerated -- they're all geniuses.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So the criminals are so smart we shouldn't listen at all right? Brilliant. I guess that's why there are 1.3 million incarcerated -- they're all geniuses.

No numnuts, how about getting one step ahead of them and not two steps behind. Listening to trillions of phone calls a day is being like five steps behind them.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Scav

No numnuts, how about getting one step ahead of them and not two steps behind. Listening to trillions of phone calls a day is being like five steps behind them.

So which is it? Option A or Option B? They are the two choices here. Either listen or don't -- both options have repercussions.

The insults and the deflection does not answer the question -- what do you do?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So which is it? Option A or Option B? They are the two choices here. Either listen or don't -- both options have repercussions.

The insults and the deflection does not answer the question -- what do you do?

I dont think its either Joey. At this point, people have chosen to tune you out.

But i hope you sleep better tonight. Perhaps a xanax?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So which is it? Option A or Option B? They are the two choices here. Either listen or don't -- both options have repercussions.

The insults and the deflection does not answer the question -- what do you do?

Option C, put resources in better position instead of sitting in a room trying to decifer criminal speak

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So the criminals are so smart we shouldn't listen at all right? Brilliant. I guess that's why there are 1.3 million incarcerated -- they're all geniuses.

We shouldn't let them into the country. We should of spent a lot of this money(we've spent in Iraq) on hi-tech ways to keep them out of our country. The people (they are making calls to in the U.S.) probably shouldn't be here to begin with.