Vineyard Haven Sold...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Of course if you are voting for Obama, then the facts obviously don't matter to you.

Well, that kind of idiocy really gives you credibility.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well, that kind of idiocy really gives you credibility.

Idiocy? Does your response mean that you agree with the other two paragraphs I wrote? Or just picking off what you can to negate me. I'm not looking for credibility. But do you always have to be so negative? I was making a point. That's all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Handicappy

Idiocy? Does your response mean that you agree with the other two paragraphs I wrote? Or just picking off what you can to negate me. I'm not looking for credibility. But do you always have to be so negative? I was making a point. That's all.

What does someone's political views have to do with this argument?

You made the senseless comments....but I am negative.....and we are a tough crowd? How about taking a little responsibility for your own comments instead of trying to blame others for pointing out the ridiculousness of what you posted.

[Fearless Leader]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What does someone's political views have to do with this argument?

You made the senseless comments....but I am negative.....and we are a tough crowd? How about taking a little responsibility for your own comments instead of trying to blame others for pointing out the ridiculousness of what you posted.

Yeah, Blackthroated, why do you have to always be so negative?

[King Glorious]

In all seriousness, how long have they been at it? I know before Street Sense, we heard all the time about a supposed "Juvenile Jinx". We also heard all about how a horse with only two starts at three couldn't win it. Now, we've had two in a row. How many years and how many starters did it take for Wayne Lukas before he finally won one? Just because something hasn't happened YET doesn't mean that it can't happen.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

In all seriousness, how long have they been at it? I know before Street Sense, we heard all the time about a supposed "Juvenile Jinx". We also heard all about how a horse with only two starts at three couldn't win it. Now, we've had two in a row. How many years and how many starters did it take for Wayne Lukas before he finally won one? Just because something hasn't happened YET doesn't mean that it can't happen.

Here is the utter fallacy of your argument, since you either don't know it, or choose to ignore it. They have failed MISERABLY with their current plan. One horse after another disappears once sent to Dubai, and when they occasionally do reappear, they fail more often than not. And, not only that, they have shown unbelievably poor judgement in their purchases. Yes, occasionally they are successful, but when you throw money around the way they do, something has to stick. The bottom line is that their ROI is miserable.

Take a look at the pps for the 6th at Aqueduct on Wednesday. Or, look at the 5th from Aqueduct today....or the 3rd from last Wednesday. The cards at Aqueduct, virtually every Fall, are littered with their mistakes. And, do you think when they purchase these horses they are pointing for November in Ozone Park?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Here is the utter fallacy of your argument, since you either don't know it, or choose to ignore it. They have failed MISERABLY with their current plan. One horse after another disappears once sent to Dubai, and when they occasionally do reappear, they fail more often than not. And, not only that, they have shown unbelievably poor judgement in their purchases. Yes, occasionally they are successful, but when you throw money around the way they do, something has to stick. The bottom line is that their ROI is miserable.

Take a look at the pps for the 6th at Aqueduct on Wednesday. Or, look at the 5th from Aqueduct today....or the 3rd from last Wednesday. The cards at Aqueduct, virtually every Fall, are littered with their mistakes. And, do you think when they purchase these horses they are pointing for November in Ozone Park?

I do not deny at all that they have failed with their current plan. I don't deny that they have shown poor judgement with their purchases. I think this purchase of Vineyard Haven is one of them. It's just my belief that the main reason for failure is not the plan itself but the horses that they chose to use to implement the plan. No doubt that many of the horses disappear once they are sent over there. I wonder if sometimes, the expectations placed on these horses by the public is not higher than it should be because of the ridiculous prices paid for them? What is it that makes them failures? Would they still be considered the same failures as horses if they cost $1k each instead of what they actually cost? That's my position. The purchase prices don't have any part in why I feel the way they feel. I don't feel like they've had many legitimate contenders or horses that failed to live up to their realistic expectations, not the expectations that were unfairly raised because of how much they cost. I also think that a lot of people fail to look at how much they pay relative to how much they have. The amounts may seem outrageous to us but that's because they live in a realm that is like a fantasy land to us. That doesn't mean that they don't waste a lot of money because they do. But for them, it's not a lot and it's probably very little in relation to how they'll feel if they win the race. Again, though, I don't deny that they have failed with their plan. Only, I look at is as they've failed SO FAR. I don't see it as a plan that can never work as some do.