hmm

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

What do you call the FDIC?
What do you call the government subsidizing health care?
What do you call Social Security?
Help me out here.

These three were responses to problems that pure capitalism caused. You can not show me a country where pure capitalism ever worked. It has the same flaws that show up each time it is tried. The only thing that will ever work is the right amount of capitalism mixed with the right amount of shared risk and responsibility(Socialism.) For instance, any road that you drive on (without paying a toll for) is a bit of Socialism. The fire department is a bit of shared risk(Socialism.) Our National Defense is a form of shared risk(Socialism.) When these hillbillies get their trailers destroyed by twisters, what happens? They take the Gov't aid they would have surely voted against ever being available to anyone. That is a form of shared risk in response to a natural tragedy. All these things you despise came about because your way was tried, and it failed. With Pure Capitalism, one of the givens is that there will always be severe poverty. Try it. You will see. I will win the bet. We have had some level of Socialism for a quite some time. We are brainwashed to say we don't, but we do. We are civilized because of it.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

These three were responses to problems that pure capitalism caused. You can not show me a country where pure capitalism ever worked. It has the same flaws that show up each time it is tried. The only thing that will ever work is the right amount of capitalism mixed with the right amount of shared risk and responsibility(Socialism.) For instance, any road that you drive on (without paying a toll for) is a bit of Socialism. The fire department is a bit of shared risk(Socialism.) Our National Defense is a form of shared risk(Socialism.) When these hillbillies get their trailers destroyed by twisters, what happens? They take the Gov't aid they would have surely voted against ever being available to anyone. That is a form of shared risk in response to a natural tragedy. All these things you despise came about because your way was tried and it failed.

Whoa, whoa my friend.
I dont despise these things at all.

We are talking about a balance here.
There is no purely socialized society that has survived long either.
They also dont really exist imo.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Whoa, whoa my friend.
I dont despise these things at all.

We are talking about a balance here.
There is no purely socialized society that has survived long either.
They also dont really exist imo.

No, pure Socialism will never work. It has a better chance to work in a homogenous group(tribe etc.) We don't have that. What I meant by "things you despise" is the stuff we normally disagree about(Healthcare etc.) Long ago, we made the choice in this country to make the medical profession a glamour job. What that did is destroy the chances for an awful lot of the citizens to be able to pay for all their medical care. We still want to think differently. We keep ignoring it. As a whole, a lot of Americans are simply unrealistic people. Medical Care is going to have to go into the shared risk column(whether we like it or not.) It's not affordable enough to be treated the way we would like to treat it(like food, cars, or T.V.) As it is now, we use highly skilled people(E.R. etc.) to treat diseases at an acute stage (in poor people.) It should be treated earlier. It's much less expensive to treat it earlier.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

No, pure Socialism will never work. It has a better chance to work in a homogenous group(tribe etc.) We don't have that. What I meant by "things you despise" is the stuff we normally disagree about(Healthcare etc.) Long ago, we made the choice in this country to make the medical profession a glamour job. What that did is destroy the chances for an awful lot of the citizens to be able to pay for all their medical care. We still want to think differently. We keep ignoring it. As a whole, a lot of Americans are simply unrealistic people. Medical Care is going to have to go into the shared risk column(whether we like it or not.) It's not affordable enough to be treated the way we would like to treat it(like food, cars, or T.V.) As it is now, we use highly skilled people(E.R. etc.) to treat diseases at an acute stage (in poor people.) It should be treated earlier. It's much less expensive to treat it earlier.

I dont think we made it a glamour job. It is a high paying job because it is very important. But it requires people that actually care about the patient's well being. That got left out... not sure how.
Nurses certainly dont consider their job a glamour job.
I think the glamour comes in when a doctor becomes a specialist that
does not have to work very hard, or actually have contact with everyday
maladies in everyday people. Its much more fun to say you worked on
Manny's wrist, than I got an elderly woman to walk with no discomfort.

I think the age we treat people and prevention is very important like you do.
I dont want big money spent on people that would be my parent's ages while
youngsters go untreated.

[dalakhani]

[quote=pgardn]I dont think we made it a glamour job. It is a high paying job because it is very important. But it requires people that actually care about the patient's well being. That got left out... not sure how.
Nurses certainly dont consider their job a glamour job.
I think the glamour comes in when a doctor becomes a specialist that
does not have to work very hard, or actually have contact with everyday
maladies in everyday people. Its much more fun to say you worked on
Manny's wrist, than I got an elderly woman to walk with no discomfort.
QUOTE]

Now why are you so interested in manny's wrist hall narc?

[quote=dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I dont think we made it a glamour job. It is a high paying job because it is very important. But it requires people that actually care about the patient's well being. That got left out... not sure how.
Nurses certainly dont consider their job a glamour job.
I think the glamour comes in when a doctor becomes a specialist that
does not have to work very hard, or actually have contact with everyday
maladies in everyday people. Its much more fun to say you worked on
Manny's wrist, than I got an elderly woman to walk with no discomfort.
QUOTE]

Now why are you so interested in manny's wrist hall narc?

Scuds... Manny.
Forget it.

Go be a lady looking for the coat to
cover that pot hole.
Jeezzzz...

[dalakhani]

[quote=pgardn]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Scuds... Manny.
Forget it.

Go be a lady looking for the coat to
cover that pot hole.
Jeezzzz...

Did your wife really stab you?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I dont think we made it a glamour job. It is a high paying job because it is very important. But it requires people that actually care about the patient's well being. That got left out... not sure how.
Nurses certainly dont consider their job a glamour job.
I think the glamour comes in when a doctor becomes a specialist that
does not have to work very hard, or actually have contact with everyday
maladies in everyday people. Its much more fun to say you worked on
Manny's wrist, than I got an elderly woman to walk with no discomfort.

I think the age we treat people and prevention is very important like you do.
I dont want big money spent on people that would be my parent's ages while
youngsters go untreated.

From what I have seen, Nurses tend to care more, and can do most of the stuff we think we need to see a doctor for. These guys order tests that other people do. At least Dentists actually do something besides order tests. Nurse Practitioner is gunna probably try harder. I just think it was a mistake to encourage a portion of society to get rich off of people getting sick. That attracted the wrong people to the profession. What percentage would be doing it if it paid like a teacher? Not much. They are doing it because it's a prestige job. It's not such an overpaid job in some other countries.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

From what I have seen, Nurses tend to care more, and can do most of the stuff we think we need to see a doctor for. These guys order tests that other people do. At least Dentists actually do something besides order tests. Nurse Practitioner is gunna probably try harder. I just think it was a mistake to encourage a portion of society to get rich off of people getting sick. That attracted the wrong people to the profession. What percentage would be doing it if it paid like a teacher? Not much. They are doing it because it's a prestige job. It's not such an overpaid job in some other countries.

God..somehow his stuff just isn't fitting the flow---is it?

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

From what I have seen, Nurses tend to care more, and can do most of the stuff we think we need to see a doctor for. These guys order tests that other people do. At least Dentists actually do something besides order tests. Nurse Practitioner is gunna probably try harder. I just think it was a mistake to encourage a portion of society to get rich off of people getting sick. That attracted the wrong people to the profession. What percentage would be doing it if it paid like a teacher? Not much. They are doing it because it's a prestige job. It's not such an overpaid job in some other countries.

Scuds it still pays awfully well. They spend a whole lot of money on school and expect it back. I think you are correct. It is definitely not charity work.