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[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's here to stay regardless.

but if you can imagine what would happen to jobs at a $250/hr minimum wage, is it that hard to think there might be one or two less positions available at $10/hour?

that's the economic argument. i'm not hard headed or hearted. but i think the idea a minimum wage helps the poor is flawed.

I guess I'm not seeing what you mean.

You are smarter than me and I'm not being a wise guy ...so can you say it a different way?

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I guess I'm not seeing what you mean.

You are smarter than me and I'm not being a wise guy ...so can you say it a different way?

there wouldn't be a lot of jobs around if an employer had to pay $250/hour.

small employer's are the ones really hurt by a minimum wage. if they're barely profitable paying 10 employee's $8/hour and the minimum wage is raised to $10, a lot of them will have to figure out a way to make a go with 8 employee's or just go out of business altogether.

[hi_im_god]

raising the earned income credit on federal taxes accomplishes the same thing raising the minimum wage is supposed to do (establish a minimum income level for working people) without driving marginal business's out of the employment market.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

raising the earned income credit on federal taxes accomplishes the same thing raising the minimum wage is supposed to do (establish a minimum income level for working people) without driving marginal business's out of the employment market.

Oh...I don't know anything about the eic.



I'm not for getting killed on taxes,but do think people shouldn't have to have it so rough for work that can be pretty tough. So maybe if I understood eic I might even say both are good. I still don't quite see where so many businesses would be hurt.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

there wouldn't be a lot of jobs around if an employer had to pay $250/hour.

small employer's are the ones really hurt by a minimum wage. if they're barely profitable paying 10 employee's $8/hour and the minimum wage is raised to $10, a lot of them will have to figure out a way to make a go with 8 employee's or just go out of business altogether.

Uh..OK.

But nothing is ever going to solve to 100%.


I don't know if I buy the theory. All competitors would have to pay the same and that would reflect in selling price.


I think a place would have to be in the throes to go belly up with a MW increase.

So I do can't help but to think it's good.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Uh..OK.

But nothing is ever going to solve to 100%.


I don't know if I buy the theory. All competitors would have to pay the same and that would reflect in selling price.


I think a place would have to be in the throes to go belly up with a MW increase.

So I do can't help but to think it's good.

mort-

if i get a raise but i have to pay more for everything i buy as a result, did i really get a raise?

i'm not against establishing a minimum income for working people. i just think there's better ways of doing it. the earned income credit and welfare don't cause unemployment. the minimum wage does.

but screw it. we both need to stop this.

i'm enjoying your work elsewhere too much.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

mort-

if i get a raise but i have to pay more for everything i buy as a result, did i really get a raise?

i'm not against establishing a minimum income for working people. i just think there's better ways of doing it. the earned income credit and welfare don't cause unemployment. the minimum wage does.

but screw it. we both need to stop this.

i'm enjoying your work elsewhere too much.

OK...I just see it as those people getting more in the net run. I'm not at all sure how many min. wage earners there are who are beyond high school.



Too kind..but I feel my work has dribbled off to almost nothing anymore.

I call this a draw...or a win for you. I'm not sure.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

OK...I just see it as those people getting more in the net run. I'm not at all sure how many min. wage earners there are who are beyond high school.



Too kind..but I feel my work has dribbled off to almost nothing anymore.

I call this a draw...or a win for you. I'm not sure.

look. i essentially wound up agreeing with toast. there were no winners here.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

look. i essentially wound up agreeing with toast. there were no winners here.

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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

Uh..OK.

But nothing is ever going to solve to 100%.


I don't know if I buy the theory. All competitors would have to pay the same and that would reflect in selling price.


I think a place would have to be in the throes to go belly up with a MW increase.

So I do can't help but to think it's good.

so, wages go up, which means cost of living increases, which means the min wage wouldn't be high enough.
i agree, the EIC helps where min wage may not. no one gets laid off because of the EIC-because it doesn't affect the bottom line of a small employer.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, wages go up, which means cost of living increases, which means the min wage wouldn't be high enough.
i agree, the EIC helps where min wage may not. no one gets laid off because of the EIC-because it doesn't affect the bottom line of a small employer.

look who picks up the bill for the costs of increasing eic

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

so, wages go up, which means cost of living increases, which means the min wage wouldn't be high enough.
i agree, the EIC helps where min wage may not. no one gets laid off because of the EIC-because it doesn't affect the bottom line of a small employer.

I don't really think it's that one for one-ish.


The min. wage has been around for a loooong time now.Up until just a iddy biddy ago the country seems to have survived this poisoning effect on the economy.Really---if you read your tripe and the tripe supplied by others,the min. wage should have bankrupt us 20 years ago.


Now I know the last min. wage increase has caused this financial crisis we now face----but I think it's just one a them things.

[Mortimer]

I think it's those maximum wage earners that may be the ones to watch out for.

They are sneaky mothah fucl<ahs.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mortimer

I don't really think it's that one for one-ish.


The min. wage has been around for a loooong time now.Up until just a iddy biddy ago the country seems to have survived this poisoning effect on the economy.Really---if you read your tripe and the tripe supplied by others,the min. wage should have bankrupt us 20 years ago.


Now I know the last min. wage increase has caused this financial crisis we now face----but I think it's just one a them things.

i don't have a problem with the min wage, i never said i did. but i do feel that one effect it has is that while those who work for min wage get a raise when it's increased, it does cost a couple of others their job so that those who remain can get the raise. i know this, as i said my daughter and a co-worker both were let go when the hike went into affect.
what i think should be done is that each state should set a min wage, not the feds-and actually most states min wage level is higher than the federal wage. the main reason i feel this would be better is because a 'living wage' isn't the same from one area to another, or one state to another. matter of fact, the min wage=living wage thing is untrue. no way someone can survive on what min wage is in most areas. certainly not in most cities.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't have a problem with the min wage, i never said i did. but i do feel that one effect it has is that while those who work for min wage get a raise when it's increased, it does cost a couple of others their job so that those who remain can get the raise. i know this, as i said my daughter and a co-worker both were let go when the hike went into affect.
what i think should be done is that each state should set a min wage, not the feds-and actually most states min wage level is higher than the federal wage. the main reason i feel this would be better is because a 'living wage' isn't the same from one area to another, or one state to another. matter of fact, the min wage=living wage thing is untrue. no way someone can survive on what min wage is in most areas. certainly not in most cities.

Dannie....





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