Now I Have Zero Respect Left for Shirreffs

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't see how you can be so certain that the foreign records are weighted so heavily. I would even doubt that they are scrutinized with anything more than a passing glance.

Did Hatoof's Group 2 win France somehow tip the scales in her favor in '93? What about Miss Alleged's mighty Group 3 win back in '91?

Your tried and true fallback is Miesque who resoundingly destroyed the competition in the BC Mile, as did Arazi (and to a lesser extent, Johannesburg) in the Juvenile. It could be argued those dominating performances were enough to sway voters regardless of exploits overseas.

The one instance where you might have a point is BC dead-heater High Chapparal in '03, and even then, I'd guess that voters were more swayed by the fact that they gave him the Eclipse in '02, as opposed to anything specific he did in Britain in '03.

Hatoof won the title in 1994. In addition to her second in the BC Turf against males, she also won the Beverly D. Stakes here in the U.S.

Miss Alleged won the title in 1991. In addition to her win in the BC Turf against males, she also win the Hollywood Turf Cup against males.

I fail to see your point in those instances.

[blackthroatedwind]

It has already been stated a couple of times in this thread that there are no rules.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It has already been stated a couple of times in this thread that there are no rules.

Well, there is the one rule that says you have to have started at least one time here in NA. After that, it's all subjective. For some of the voters, European form is taken into account. For others, it's not. But to say that foreign form doesn't count is just incorrect because if foreign form wasn't taken into consideration in a lot of instances, I bet there would be a few different winners.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Well, there is the one rule that says you have to have started at least one time here in NA. After that, it's all subjective. For some of the voters, European form is taken into account. For others, it's not. But to say that foreign form doesn't count is just incorrect because if foreign form wasn't taken into consideration in a lot of instances, I bet there would be a few different winners.

Thanks....I assumed that was implicit but I should have thrown that in.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Hatoof won the title in 1994. In addition to her second in the BC Turf against males, she also won the Beverly D. Stakes here in the U.S.

Miss Alleged won the title in 1991. In addition to her win in the BC Turf against males, she also win the Hollywood Turf Cup against males.

I fail to see your point in those instances.

Cool.

So now you admit that just two North American starts is enough to earn the Eclipse.

Let's add Singspiel to that list, too, please.

[Linny]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cool.

So now you admit that just two North American starts is enough to earn the Eclipse.

Let's add Singspiel to that list, too, please.

It might work for Mignight Lute even though one of the starts was a horrible loss.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Cool.

So now you admit that just two North American starts is enough to earn the Eclipse.

Let's add Singspiel to that list, too, please.

I think one is enough. You don't need two. I would have voted Ghostzapper in 2005 off of one start.