Now I Have Zero Respect Left for Shirreffs

Danzig · #1 10-28-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

The point is he was nominated. Based on what? Surely it wasnt his North American accomplishments because he never won a race here...unless im mistaken.

there aren't nominations. finalists are based on the top three vote getters in each category-and that is decided purely by those who get a ballot.

dalakhani · #2 10-28-2008, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

there aren't nominations. finalists are based on the top three vote getters in each category-and that is decided purely by those who get a ballot.

Okay...fine. He was a top three vote getter. Based on what?

dalakhani · #3 10-28-2008, 06:49 PM

The final voting was:

High Chapparal 30

With anticipation 11

Rock of Gibraltar 7

blackthroatedwind · #4 10-28-2008, 06:51 PM

I know Andy Beyer was one " nimrod " that voted for Rock of Gibralter. I believe he wrote a column about it.

Danzig · #5 10-28-2008, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know Andy Beyer was one " nimrod " that voted for Rock of Gibralter. I believe he wrote a column about it.

i would imagine he got votes because, by running here he was eligible, and if memory serves he had one hell of a year.

dalakhani · #6 10-28-2008, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i would imagine he got votes because, by running here he was eligible, and if memory serves he had one hell of a year.

And thats the point. If Rock of Gibraltar was a nominee and received 7 votes, you have to think that his performance overseas was taken into account because he never won a race over here.

And i dont think anything is wrong with that. That was the point KG was trying to make.

I think.

Danzig · #7 10-28-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

And thats the point. If Rock of Gibraltar was a nominee and received 7 votes, you have to think that his performance overseas was taken into account because he never won a race over here.

And i dont think anything is wrong with that. That was the point KG was trying to make.

I think.

i would imagine it's taken into account. i'd also imagine most writers with a vote don't have a clue who really is in the running, as unlike beyer, they don't keep up with the sport on a regular basis. so, name recognition would be key. how else would a euro-based horse get recognition then if their season was taken as a whole?
a race here makes them eligible, but i don't think one performance here is enough to elevate a horse to an award.
personally, i thought with anticipation deserved the award, but since it's not solely a us based award or even a north american award, you can't really argue with the results, as high chaparral fulfilled all the needs for a vote.

10 pnt move up · #8 10-28-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

And thats the point. If Rock of Gibraltar was a nominee and received 7 votes, you have to think that his performance overseas was taken into account because he never won a race over here.

And i dont think anything is wrong with that. That was the point KG was trying to make.

I think.

and my point is they dont hold that consistent, if they did many european horses would have won eclipses over american horses.

RollerDoc · #9 10-28-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i would imagine he got votes because, by running here he was eligible, and if memory serves he had one hell of a year.

I totally disagree!!!! Not with the above quote but with your "Hail To The Redskins" sig. Go Steelers!

Linny · #10 10-28-2008, 08:34 PM

There is no consistancy because every season is different. Typically when Euro's come to the US and get an Eclipse, it's in a division where chaos dominated. Juvies are suseptible as there are few G1's and except the BC, the best rarely meet up. Thus Johannesbug. Obviously the turf division is another. We don't separate turf milers as they do in Europe. This year you could make a case that Goldikova is the best grass horse to run in the US, even though she didn't have an American campaign. You could also argue that Conduit was the best because (typically) the router on grass gets more credit than the miler. Who of the US horses could you consider? IF there was a strong grass horse (if Kip had won the Woodbine Mile maybe or Dancing Forever not tanked on soft going) I'd prefer to see one of them get it, but I cannot see it happeneing unless Shug sends DF out there to dominate the Hollywood Turf Cup. Even then, it's a crap shoot.

Danzig · #11 10-28-2008, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I know Andy Beyer was one " nimrod " that voted for Rock of Gibralter. I believe he wrote a column about it.

and i can understand why he would vote for him, but i don't agree with it. but it's his choice, and at least he pays attention all year long, unlike a lot of other voters.

Danzig · #12 10-28-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

The final voting was:

High Chapparal 30

With anticipation 11

Rock of Gibraltar 7

i said it didn't have to be more than one because a horse can be in the top three with only one vote-i didn't specifically know what rocks tally was, and it doesn't really matter.

Revidere · #13 10-29-2008, 10:08 AM

I love this thread.

I'm still upset that John Henry beat out Slew O'Gold for HOY in 1984.

Danzig · #14 10-28-2008, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay...fine. He was a top three vote getter. Based on what?

you would have to ask the guy who voted for him. it's writers who vote the awards, no telling why someone would vote for him...

edit~so make that seven who voted for him. the year that azeri got hoy, i don't think she was unanimous in the top mare category.