Curlin

GBBob · #1 10-28-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311

I love how ESPN gave and Jess Jackson took all the credit for keeping Curlin in racing. Saying he doesnt do it for money and he kept the horse going for the best interests of the game. What a joke. If it wasnt for the crook part owners Curlin would of been retired with the rest of them.

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

FGFan · #2 10-28-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

Not the only one...

kgar311 · #3 10-28-2008, 02:06 PM

Im holding out some small hope also. Back to Back World Cups? If he couldnt get the classics.

freddymo · #4 10-28-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

I promise to be motivated by money and greed and not ego!

GBBob · #5 10-28-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I promise to be motivated by money and greed and not ego!

phew..thank you

Danzig · #6 10-28-2008, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

i think he realized he had no shot at getting a stud deal until the legalities are settled (and they should be shortly) so he went after the brass ring-and it worked out for him. but i don't think anything other than having his hand forced is what got him to keep the horse in training, he had no other choice.

ddthetide · #7 10-28-2008, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

well said.

ELA · #8 10-28-2008, 06:32 PM

People critisized the horse for a variety of reasons. People critisized Jackson because everyone knew the truth in that he was brought back this year due to legal issues. People critisized Jackson, to no end, when it appeared he wasn't going to show up to the BC to defend his title. People critisized Jackson for things he has said because it wasn't truthful. People critisized. And critisized. OK. Got it.

The guy and his horse showed up. He ran. He got beat. Now I guess the horse gets critisized for getting beat and Jackson get critisized for doing what people said he wouldn't. I guess the horse and Jackson are "damned if you do damned if you don't" so to speak.

Eric

Cannon Shell · #9 10-28-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA

People critisized the horse for a variety of reasons. People critisized Jackson because everyone knew the truth in that he was brought back this year due to legal issues. People critisized Jackson, to no end, when it appeared he wasn't going to show up to the BC to defend his title. People critisized Jackson for things he has said because it wasn't truthful. People critisized. And critisized. OK. Got it.

The guy and his horse showed up. He ran. He got beat. Now I guess the horse gets critisized for getting beat and Jackson get critisized for doing what people said he wouldn't. I guess the horse and Jackson are "damned if you do damned if you don't" so to speak.Eric

Isnt everyone?

ELA · #10 10-28-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Isnt everyone?

I guess so. We all know you'll never make everyone happy. In this business, I guess you can -- at best -- make very, very few happy.

Eric

Cannon Shell · #11 10-28-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

3) Old Jess is not the most popular fellow in Lexington and there wasn't anybody real excited do stand a horse with him as a major partner (they figured it will only be a matter of time before they get sued) And Darley does not take partners, period. Who else can afford what he will want for him?

Riot · #12 10-28-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

3) Old Jess is not the most popular fellow in Lexington and there wasn't anybody real excited do stand a horse with him as a major partner (they figured it will only be a matter of time before they get sued)

ELA · #13 10-28-2008, 10:05 PM

Chuck, billionaires "put capital at risk" for many reasons other than what people think they already know, and for reasons other than what others think they could understand. This is not a discussion that can be simplified to A+B=C. We can talk about it some time over a beer.

Eric

Cannon Shell · #14 10-28-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA

Chuck, billionaires "put capital at risk" for many reasons other than what people think they already know, and for reasons other than what others think they could understand. This is not a discussion that can be simplified to A+B=C. We can talk about it some time over a beer.

Eric

I believe that this situation is pretty much a clear cut situation and that is as much as I can say though I would still like the beer.

Kasept · #15 10-29-2008, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

I know I'm in the minority..hell..I'm probably the only one, but I think there is a chance that other factors besides the 20% issues kept Curlin running this year.

1) Certainly Jackson doesn't need the stud fee deal, which, unless a horse is hurt, is the motivating factor for retiring to stud. But what money can't buy is the overall earnings record and I think that was something his ego wanted.

2) His ego also wanted what ESPN and others gave him...the accolades from being the man who bucked the trend and put Curlin on the road. I wouldn't fall over if he kept him running next year for that very reason. Probably won't happen, but for a man who has or can afford every material thing possible,
being on the road with the best horse in the land ( image wise) is a very powerful motivator.

I've been critical of him all year because the Gallion/Cunningham situation appeared to be the major mitigating circumstance in Curlin's running in '08, but a factor that hasn't been brought out from what I'm hearing, is that Jess Jackson isn't well physically. He's wanted to see Curlin run as much as possible and achieve whatever he can while he can enjoy it.