Israelis ... Just Plain Stupid Or What?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

You guys are incredible.

Anytime anyone takes an opinion not in line with pro-Israeli positions, you label them Jew Haters and lovers of terrorists? That's laughable and lamentable. I'm anything but either of those. I do however, see the world in all of it's dimensions and I am admittedly not the hugest fan of the incumbent Israeli leaders. That's it. Nothing more. Nothing less. You can go on ahead now and continue labeling anyone who disagrees with how you see the world as a Jew Hater. That, some people would say, is bigotry at its worst, but at least it is the easy way out.

You label yourself by the content of your posts....over and over, Israel bad, terrorists good! I simply point out the obvious!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You label yourself by the content of your posts....over and over, Israel bad, terrorists good! I simply point out the obvious!

I have never said anything about "Terrorists Good." Never.

I label myself as an open minded person who sees the world from different perspectives. You do not agree with my thoughts, so YOU label me a Jew Hater.

I eat breakfast a couple days a week at a bagel place on 44th. I have the same conversations there and noone labels me a Jew Hater as you do. Why is that? The tell me I'm full of sh1t and tell me I'm wrong but noone ever "brands" me as you, Bold and Dixie do.

You call me a Jew Hater.

Dixie Porter calls me an a sshole Arab and has wished for my death.

Bold Brooklyn has called me stupid more times than he and I combined have masturbated.

All because I don't care for the current Israeli politics. What do you call Israelis who disagree with their current leaders?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You label yourself by the content of your posts....over and over, Israel bad, terrorists good! I simply point out the obvious!

Thats a bunch of ****. Ive been called a "jew hater" and its been stated that i "side with the enemy" because my ideas dont fall in line with mainstream right wing rhetoric as have the opinions of every other person on here that would dare say anything that could be construed as disagreeing with American/israeli policy toward arabs. Its typical. If you oppose our idiot president you are termed "unamerican".

I dont hate jews. I dont hate arabs. I dont hate any groups or any person in particular. My only wish is that all sides of the issues are presented not just the spin being spoonfed by this corrupt administration.

[GenuineRisk]

We can't very well say, "Well, so what if they kept someone illegally for three weeks? The terrorists do worse!" Yes, they do do worse, but that doesn't make what Israel did in this case right, nor does it justify any of the illegal things the US has done in this "war on terror." (though how one wages war on terrorism, which is not a country, but a tactic, is beyond me) We're the US of A; we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. And if Israel's government wants to be able to claim the moral high ground, then they'd better be walking on it.

If we really think our system of democracy is valuable and worth exporting, then we need to prove it through our actions. Holding people illegally does not help our argument.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

We can't very well say, "Well, so what if they kept someone illegally for three weeks? The terrorists do worse!" Yes, they do do worse, but that doesn't make what Israel did in this case right, nor does it justify any of the illegal things the US has done in this "war on terror." (though how one wages war on terrorism, which is not a country, but a tactic, is beyond me) We're the US of A; we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. And if Israel's government wants to be able to claim the moral high ground, then they'd better be walking on it.

If we really think our system of democracy is valuable and worth exporting, then we need to prove it through our actions. Holding people illegally does not help our argument.

the best post yet. Thank you very much!!!

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

We can't very well say, "Well, so what if they kept someone illegally for three weeks? The terrorists do worse!" Yes, they do do worse, but that doesn't make what Israel did in this case right, nor does it justify any of the illegal things the US has done in this "war on terror." (though how one wages war on terrorism, which is not a country, but a tactic, is beyond me) We're the US of A; we're supposed to be better than the people we're fighting. And if Israel's government wants to be able to claim the moral high ground, then they'd better be walking on it.

If we really think our system of democracy is valuable and worth exporting, then we need to prove it through our actions. Holding people illegally does not help our argument.

Your a nice lady ... but with a big flaw ...

... you continue to accept at face value every nonsensical assertion made by hatemongering propagandists.

Ask yourself this ... what do you actually know about this case? What real, solid information ... from reliable sources ... do you have? You don't really know exactly what happened and/or why Israel did what they did ... do you?

Be a little more skeptical and perspicacious ... there are lots of not-nice folks out there trying to manipulate you ... and you're making it a bit too easy for them.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Your a nice lady ... but with a big flaw ...

... you continue to accept at face value every nonsensical assertion made by hatemongering propagandists.

Ask yourself this ... what do you actually know about this case? What real, solid information ... from reliable sources ... do you have? You don't really know exactly what happened and/or why Israel did what they did ... do you?

Be a little more skeptical and perspicacious ... there are lots of not-nice folks out there trying to manipulate you ... and you're making it a bit too easy for them.

What do YOU actually know that hasnt been either :

a: made up in your delusional little brain

b: cut and pasted from some right wing internet article that you googled

You have been shown to have a propensity for both.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Your a nice lady ... but with a big flaw ...

... you continue to accept at face value every nonsensical assertion made by hatemongering propagandists.

Ask yourself this ... what do you actually know about this case? What real, solid information ... from reliable sources ... do you have? You don't really know exactly what happened and/or why Israel did what they did ... do you?

Be a little more skeptical and perspicacious ... there are lots of not-nice folks out there trying to manipulate you ... and you're making it a bit too easy for them.

BB, in all fairness, yes, I should google before I respond. But, after Googling, I find the facts I've found on every single news article written about the incident match with what was originally posted here. They arrested the wrong man, figured that out in two days, and then instead of releasing him, tossed him in jail. Here's an article from yahoo's website, prior to his release:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060803...n_060803184155

I stand by my earlier post.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

BB, in all fairness, yes, I should google before I respond. But, after Googling, I find the facts I've found on every single news article written about the incident match with what was originally posted here. They arrested the wrong man, figured that out in two days, and then instead of releasing him, tossed him in jail. Here's an article from yahoo's website, prior to his release:

OK ... so ... ?

Originally Posted by dalakhani

its been stated that i "side with the enemy" because my ideas dont fall in line with mainstream right wing rhetoric ...

Not at all ...

... it's because you point at the flea ... every nit of the United States and Israel ...

... while conveniently ignoring the elephant ... the ongoing slaughter of innocents by the terrorists.

Your assertions of neutrality become laughable in that light.