Now I Have Zero Respect Left for Shirreffs

[10 pnt move up]

Does anyone really think the east coast media, which represents the largest segment of voting, is going to vote for a horse who did most of their running on synthetics------even if they thought she should get it? If they did it would be a vote of support of the surface, the west coast Breeders Cup, and I highly doubt it would go over very well with their constituents.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Does anyone really think the east coast media, which represents the largest segment of voting, is going to vote for a horse who did most of their running on synthetics------even if they thought she should get it? If they did it would be a vote of support of the surface, the west coast Breeders Cup, and I highly doubt it would go over very well with their constituents.

I hope your paranoia doesn't go so far as to actually believe this. If nothing else, your giving the voters way too much credit.

How come nobody on the East Coast has a East Coast/West Coast bias paranoia?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I hope your paranoia doesn't go so far as to actually believe this. If nothing else, your giving the voters way too much credit.

How come nobody on the East Coast has a East Coast/West Coast bias paranoia?

seriously who the hell even makes up the racing media anymore? Virtually no newspapers have a horseracing person and it is hard to believe that a trade mag or paper writer would be biased toward any coast. Though Ray Paulick and gary west are extremely biased towards a certain horse and its connections

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I hope your paranoia doesn't go so far as to actually believe this. If nothing else, your giving the voters way too much credit.

How come nobody on the East Coast has a East Coast/West Coast bias paranoia?

I may give them to much credit, but have seen things like this play out in the past, and think the synthetic tracks will only heighten some of the logic they use.

I highly doubt the segment who has not been victimized in the past would have a bias paranoia.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I may give them to much credit, but have seen things like this play out in the past, and think the synthetic tracks will only heighten some of the logic they use.

I highly doubt the segment who has not been victimized in the past would have a bias paranoia.

Is this a version of " you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you? "

You're nuts.

Didn't Kotashan and Azeri win HOY? Didn't Ferdinand somehow beat Theatrical?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Is this a version of " you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you? "

You're nuts.

Didn't Kotashan and Azeri win HOY? Didn't Ferdinand somehow beat Theatrical?

I argue that they negativity surrounding from the eastern part of the country, the only major year round ciruit that still has dirt, that synthetics will heighten how and why they vote and you bring up Azeri, I dont see how they are related.

Theatrical is a turf horse, if he wanted to win a award that is supposed to go to a dirt runner (I read that a couple pages back) he should have entered that race....I think I saw that here with Zenyatta running in the classic.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I argue that they negativity surrounding from the eastern part of the country, the only major year round ciruit that still has dirt, that synthetics will heighten how and why they vote and you bring up Azeri, I dont see how they are related.

Theatrical is a turf horse, if he wanted to win a award that is supposed to go to a dirt runner (I read that a couple pages back) he should have entered that race....I think I saw that here with Zenyatta running in the classic.

Azeri was a West Coast horse that won HOY ( and a reasonably questionable one at that ). Kotashan was a West Coast horse that won as well ( and a turf horse ). Theatrical was also a turf horse, and one that won six or seven Grade 1s over the course of nine months, and he lost to a West Coast horse with a decent but hardly spectacular resume.

Your perception of East Coast bias has no basis in fact. If you think the voters won't vote for Zenyatta because they see it as some sort of endorsement of polytrack then you are dead wrong, paranoid, and have no understanding of the voters in general.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Your perception of East Coast bias has no basis in fact. If you think the voters won't vote for Zenyatta because they see it as some sort of endorsement of polytrack then you are dead wrong, paranoid, and have no understanding of the voters in general.

Let me ask you this, who is going to win the champion sprinter for the year?

[Pedigree Ann]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I hope your paranoia doesn't go so far as to actually believe this. If nothing else, your giving the voters way too much credit.

How come nobody on the East Coast has a East Coast/West Coast bias paranoia?

Because the East Coast has had the power for decades and could make a champion of Roman Brother while ignoring the accomplishments of Native Diver. And could cold-shoulder Exceller in a year when he won six G1 races, including the championship race in New York, by giving him no award at all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Because the East Coast has had the power for decades and could make a champion of Roman Brother while ignoring the accomplishments of Native Diver. And could cold-shoulder Exceller in a year when he won six G1 races, including the championship race in New York, by giving him no award at all.

Feel free to tell us exactly what Eclipse award Exceller should have won over what winner.

[cmorioles]

The case could certainly be made that Exceller could have won the Eclipse for top Grass Horse in 1978.

He won the following G1s on turf:

San Juan Capistrano, the Hollywood Invitational, the Sunset, and the Oak Tree Invitational. He won all year against top competition.

The winner, Mac Diarmada, won two, the Canadian International and the DC International. He did win some lesser G2s against straight 3yos.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The case could certainly be made that Exceller could have won the Eclipse for top Grass Horse in 1978.

He won the following G1s on turf:

San Juan Capistrano, the Hollywood Invitational, the Sunset, and the Oak Tree Invitational. He won all year against top competition.

The winner, Mac Diarmada, won two, the Canadian International and the DC International. He did win some lesser G2s against straight 3yos.

You're way off target there. Waya actually should have been top grass horse of 1978.

[cmorioles]

Certainly possible, but she only won two G1s as well, and this was back when winning a G1 actually meant something.

"Way off target" is just silly.