Now I Have Zero Respect Left for Shirreffs

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curlin proved he was a length better than Past the Point and wandering boy and a few better than Einstein on the dirt. Those are probably the weakest editions of those races in years. Zenyatta beat nobodies all year except at Oaklawn and the Distaff. Big browns crop wasnt good but he won 2/3rds of the TC pretty handily, easily won the FL derby , was not impressive despite winning the Haskell and beat older horses on a second surface. As a matter of fact I dont think one of Curlins foes on the Dirt all year showed up in a BC race.

Well Armed.

Big Brown's foe in his big turf win at Monmouth ran a very poor third at even moneyish in a G3 Turf Stake at Belmont Saturday. His Haskell foe, Coal Play, got drowned in the G3 Pegusus Friday night at the Meadowlands.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Well Armed.

Big Brown's foe in his big turf win at Monmouth ran a very poor third at even moneyish in a G3 Turf Stake at Belmont Saturday. His Haskell foe, Coal Play, got drowned in the G3 Pegusus Friday night at the Meadowlands.

I am not saying he is an outstanding choice but Curlins campaign has hardly been great and Zenyatta beat only fillies. You may not agree he should win but it is pretty hard to keep him from being in the discussion.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I am not saying he is an outstanding choice but Curlins campaign has hardly been great and Zenyatta beat only fillies. You may not agree he should win but it is pretty hard to keep him from being in the discussion.

Of course he belongs in the conversation and making an argument for him isn't hard.

I couldn't care less who wins HOY. I am concerned with who wins horse races in the future.....not awards.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Of course he belongs in the conversation and making an argument for him isn't hard.

I couldn't care less who wins HOY. I am concerned with who wins horse races in the future.....not awards.

well I guess running in the BC is now a must as all the hot air i hear about the award only contains 2 names. I never thought i would be defending big Brown but he has accomplished as much or more than the other two though i would get physically sick if i actually watched the Eclipse awards show regardless of who won.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

well I guess running in the BC is now a must as all the hot air i hear about the award only contains 2 names. I never thought i would be defending big Brown but he has accomplished as much or more than the other two though i would get physically sick if i actually watched the Eclipse awards show regardless of who won.

I would imagine it has something to do with his competition for the award this season, maybe in a year when Azeri won it he would have a great shot but there are two horses who had tremendous years. Frankly winning 2/3rds of the triple crown, I dont think it carries the same weight as it once did in people minds.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

I would imagine it has something to do with his competition for the award this season, maybe in a year when Azeri won it he would have a great shot but there are two horses who had tremendous years. Frankly winning 2/3rds of the triple crown, I dont think it carries the same weight as it once did in people minds.

Curlin had a tremendous year? You obviously have low standards. Zenyatta had a good year but beat only fillies and outside of 2 races very forgettable fillies. Since when is the KY Derby and Preakness and Haskell not big enough races?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curlin had a tremendous year? You obviously have low standards. Zenyatta had a good year but beat only fillies and outside of 2 races very forgettable fillies. Since when is the KY Derby and Preakness and Haskell not big enough races?

The names on the races don't make the races though. If your competition sucked, it sucked. Since when were the JCGC and Woodward not big enough? None of these races are good races just because the name says they are. The Haskell was no better than the Woodward. The Derby and Preakness were no better than Dubai and the JCGC. The Florida Derby was no better than the Foster.

I was just talking with someone and told them that I come from the school of thought that says you have to knock out the champ. If you let it come down to a decision against the champ, you lose. Well, BB didn't knock out the champ on any scorecard. The only thing that could be said is that he tied him on a couple.

Quality of races won-draw.
Number of grade ones-draw.
Speed figures-Curlin by a lot.

I'd even give Curlin the edge in quality of competition faced. Wanderin Boy, Well Armed, and AP Arrow.....they aren't exactly a who's who of racing. But I'd take them in a landslide over Coal Play, Smooth Air, Eight Belles, Denis of Cork, Anak Nakal, and Tomcito.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Curlin had a tremendous year? You obviously have low standards. Zenyatta had a good year but beat only fillies and outside of 2 races very forgettable fillies. Since when is the KY Derby and Preakness and Haskell not big enough races?

And who did Big Brown beat?