Hank hates Jessica?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

yeah 90% of viewers dont have action of the games...Please tell me more.

I am not saying anything as a 'hardcore fan'. NO ONE I know likes the way these events are being shown. And since the ratings on these shows have done nothing but go down maybe one of the morons who design these broadcasts should start listening to us idiots who just dont understand why horse racing has to be portrayed as some kind of gimmick game show instead of a real sport with real people betting real money. But please continue to tell us that the "general public" is enthralled with Hanks Bank and the space shuttle shots. Because god forbid the "general public and nonhardcore" fans are just flocking to the watch the races....

and that's an excellent point as well. they continue to have bad telecasts, and they continue to go downhill in ratings.

[blackthroatedwind]

Well, I believe educating your viewers intelligently is the best way to increase their interest in the game.

[pba1817]

To increase interest in any sport you need the following-

1) Recognizable Stars, racing has none because the value at stud far outweighs the risks of racing long term.

2) A clean atmosphere, 90% of the racetracks in the USA are dumps. These places are not worthy of people with kids. If people are not in tune with taking their kids to the races, you lose the younger generations, which is your future.

3) No cheating, every person I know who is not experienced(and just about all those I do know who are experienced) with horse racing automatically thinks that the entire industry is rigged.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

To increase interest in any sport you need the following-

1) Recognizable Stars, racing has none because the value at stud far outweighs the risks of racing long term.

2) A clean atmosphere, 90% of the racetracks in the USA are dumps. These places are not worthy of people with kids. If people are not in tune with taking their kids to the races, you lose the younger generations, which is your future.

3) No cheating, every person I know who is not experienced(and just about all those I do know who are experienced) with horse racing automatically thinks that the entire industry is rigged.

1. Secretariat (maybe the most famous horse of all time) retired to stud after his three year old year.

2. Some of the biggest dumps I have ever been in include the Boston Garden, Wrigley Field, Veterans stadium, and Shea stadium. Anyone have a problem bringing kids there?

3. MLB, NFL and NBA havent exactly struggled since the steroids era and crooked refs have been exposed. How exactly would you or anybody else "know" if people in the game are cheating or not? How do you determine when things are cleaned up? (I have asked some of the crusaders in the industry this same question and rarely get a reasonable response that doesnt include a lot of mumbling)

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1. Secretariat (maybe the most famous horse of all time) retired to stud after his three year old year.

2. Some of the biggest dumps I have ever been in include the Boston Garden, Wrigley Field, Veterans stadium, and Shea stadium. Anyone have a problem bringing kids there?

3. MLB, NFL and NBA havent exactly struggled since the steroids era and crooked refs have been exposed. How exactly would you or anybody else "know" if people in the game are cheating or not? How do you determine when things are cleaned up? (I have asked some of the crusaders in the industry this same question and rarely get a reasonable response that doesnt include a lot of mumbling)

1) OK?? Think about what his legacy coul dhave been if he wasn't retired at 3??

2) That doesn't make it OK to me, does it to you?? Also the places you mentioned are nostalgic, and SAFE for the most part for families to visit(not the Vet). Take a trip to the following tracks, hit a for a few thousand and tell me just how safe you feel being there and when leaving- Pimlico, Hollywood, Golden Gate, Thisltedown, Aqueduct, Hawthorne, etc

3) Don't be stupid... cheating is industry wide and you know it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pba1817

1) OK?? Think about what his legacy coul dhave been if he wasn't retired at 3??

2) That doesn't make it OK to me, does it to you?? Also the places you mentioned are nostalgic, and SAFE for the most part for families to visit(not the Vet). Take a trip to the following tracks, hit a for a few thousand and tell me just how safe you feel being there and when leaving- Pimlico, Hollywood, Golden Gate, Thisltedown, Aqueduct, Hawthorne, etc

3) Don't be stupid... cheating is industry wide and you know it.

1. But he wasnt and he is still remembered today. Everyone acts like horses were campaigned for 10 years in past years. We had a popular Derby winner a few years back named Funny Cide who raced till he was 6 and yet the game didnt suddenly turn around. The thing that you and most people forget is that NCAA basketball has always been a hugely popluar sport the last 25 years and the top players havent been staying for four years for a long time. However trainers, owners and jockeys stay around like coaches and managers but that is always forgotten.

2. How safe do you feel leaving Madison Square garden with a couple thousand in your pocket? What about yankee stadium? This is an inane argument. Keeneland, Santa anita, Churchill, Saratoga, Gulfstream, Arlington, Turfway, Mountaineer, Charlestown, laurel, Turf paradise, Belmont, Delaware, Colonial, Tampa, Ellis park, River downs, Indiana downs, hoosier, Lone star, La Downs, the red mile, the Meadowands, Monmouth, Penn national, Presque isle, Finger lakes are all in safe areas with some obviously nicer than others.

3. Your response is typical and doesnt answer the question. Let me ask one more time. HOW do you know WHO is cheating and WHAT they are doing? Give me one shred of evidence that you personally know is an example of "cheating" that goes on without punishment. And tell me how exactly will you know what measures are working or when the "cheating" has stopped or is being curbed.

[pba1817]

My point is that if the industry would institute a minimum age for breeding to begin, then owners would be more inclined to run their horses for a longer period of time. Why not make the official minimum breeding age of 5 years? This will help the more recognizable horses stay in the limelight a little longer, and allow fans to be more appreciative of their skills and careers.

I have been to most of the tracks you listed.. some are great, some are ok, and some aren't so great.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

3. Your response is typical and doesnt answer the question. Let me ask one more time. HOW do you know WHO is cheating and WHAT they are doing? Give me one shred of evidence that you personally know is an example of "cheating" that goes on without punishment. And tell me how exactly will you know what measures are working or when the "cheating" has stopped or is being curbed.

Punishment should be worthy of an infraction, When you cheat the betting public and your fellow trainers/jockeys/owners, you should be JAILED, not fined/suspended. If racing officials and law enforcement would get in line on this "white collar" crime, then racing might remove the stigma of a cheaters paradise.

For a sample of the cheating that is accepted by this industry, take a look at the links here,

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/press_releases.htm
http://www.chrb.ca.gov/complaints.htm

[TheSpyder]

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2) That doesn't make it OK to me, does it to you?? Also the places you mentioned are nostalgic, and SAFE for the most part for families to visit(not the Vet). Take a trip to the following tracks, hit a for a few thousand and tell me just how safe you feel being there and when leaving- Pimlico, Hollywood, Golden Gate, Thisltedown, Aqueduct, Hawthorne, etc
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I think you are a little paranoid. I grew up at the Big T and it is as safe as anywhere. There's only one person to worry about and that's Morty. Saying you would not bring your wife/girlfriend and/or familiy, I think you're more ashamed of yourself than the place you're taking them.

Also, wake up to the internet. I spend more time with horse racing than most. I work out of the house, follow the tracks daily, and I'm a die hard fan.....all from the basement of my house in SC 400 miles from a track or OTB.

[pba1817]

[quote=TheSpyder]

Originally Posted by pba1817

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2) That doesn't make it OK to me, does it to you?? Also the places you mentioned are nostalgic, and SAFE for the most part for families to visit(not the Vet). Take a trip to the following tracks, hit a for a few thousand and tell me just how safe you feel being there and when leaving- Pimlico, Hollywood, Golden Gate, Thisltedown, Aqueduct, Hawthorne, etc
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I think you are a little paranoid. I grew up at the Big T and it is as safe as anywhere. There's only one person to worry about and that's Morty. Saying you would not bring your wife/girlfriend and/or familiy, I think you're more ashamed of yourself than the place you're taking them.

Also, wake up to the internet. I spend more time with horse racing than most. I work out of the house, follow the tracks daily, and I'm a die hard fan.....all from the basement of my house in SC 400 miles from a track or OTB.

I do not consider any part of Ohio near Cleveland safe.... that place is a dump.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by pba1817

To increase interest in any sport you need the following-

1) Recognizable Stars, racing has none because the value at stud far outweighs the risks of racing long term.

2) A clean atmosphere, 90% of the racetracks in the USA are dumps. These places are not worthy of people with kids. If people are not in tune with taking their kids to the races, you lose the younger generations, which is your future.

3) No cheating, every person I know who is not experienced(and just about all those I do know who are experienced) with horse racing automatically thinks that the entire industry is rigged.

No. 2 is flat out wrong. Not sure what you classify as a "dump", but 90% is way off. The only track I wouldn't take my kids to is Hazel Park. I think tracks are way more kid friendly than ever. They have all kinds of stuff to get kids to attend and have a good time. Remember, there was a time when kids weren't allowed at the track. How did the younger generations get involved in racing then? Somehow they managed to. Kids get into racing because a parent, relative or friend is already into it, not because a track is nice or isn't a "dump".

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

No. 2 is flat out wrong. Not sure what you classify as a "dump", but 90% is way off. The only track I wouldn't take my kids to is Hazel Park. I think tracks are way more kid friendly than ever. They have all kinds of stuff to get kids to attend and have a good time. Remember, there was a time when kids weren't allowed at the track. How did the younger generations get involved in racing then? Somehow they managed to. Kids get into racing because a parent, relative or friend is already into it, not because a track is nice or isn't a "dump".

I am in my late 30's and I was always allowed to go to the track, and thus this was how I was introduced to the sport.

A dump, is a place that you would be ashamed and embarrassed to take your wife/GF/friends/family to, Or a place where you would be afraid to leave your wife alone while you place a awager.

And if the places are not dumps, you are likely to attract more family oriented people, thus broadening your base of possible fans.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by pba1817

I am in my late 30's and I was always allowed to go to the track, and thus this was how I was introduced to the sport.

A dump, is a place that you would be ashamed and embarrassed to take your wife/GF/friends/family to, Or a place where you would be afraid to leave your wife alone while you place a awager.

And if the places are not dumps, you are likely to attract more family oriented people, thus broadening your base of possible fans.

Maybe I am a bad husband/father. I've never been embarrassed or afraid to leave my wife and kids alone to place a wager. How many assaults, kidnappings or robberies vs. women and children have you heard of at a race track? I haven't heard of any.

Colorful language? Sure. It broadens their horizens.

[TheSpyder]

And they become good artists!

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Maybe I am a bad husband/father. I've never been embarrassed or afraid to leave my wife and kids alone to place a wager. How many assaults, kidnappings or robberies vs. women and children have you heard of at a race track? I haven't heard of any.

Colorful language? Sure. It broadens their horizens.