Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

Thunder Gulch · #1 10-25-2008, 09:17 AM

I had WAW on some P3 tickets, but come on guys, the winner was just better.

ddthetide · #2 10-25-2008, 09:33 AM

i'm a wait awhile fan and she was second best today. no question. forever together ran a nice race, it was her day.

CSC · #3 10-25-2008, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ddthetide

i'm a wait awhile fan and she was second best today. no question. forever together ran a nice race, it was her day.

I'm sorry but Sealy Hill was second best yesterday, yes she had a great trip but she was second last heading into the stretch to only narrowly miss. She closed into slow fractions, I don't know what Jerry Bailey was watching but his analysis that there was a honest pace was an error in my mind. If anything Wait A While's stalking trip was more beneficial to Forever Together and Sealy Hill's runs. Though Wait A While is still a very nice horse, I don't think she is as dominant as she was in her 3 yr old season, It's not like Pletcher's are running a hole in the wind this yr.

the_fat_man · #4 10-25-2008, 10:49 AM

So we have a race where the winner, the 2nd horse, and the 4th horse were, respectively, 7th, 8th, and 9th, in a 10 horse field, with the 10th horse badly outrun, YET, the consensus is that the only horse that ran early and finished with them GOT A BETTER SETUP.

The winner got the best setup of the top 4, as she RAN LAST. In other words, AFTER WaW had made her wide bid on the turn, AFTER Visit, who was behind FT to the turn, made that sharp move INTO the fastest fractions, and AFTER SH, who was also behind the winner, made her run.

As for Sealy Hill, I used her last out in exactas with Callwood Dancer, as they both had ridiculous trips in the Canadian S. She wasn't a mystery, she just happened to make the 2nd to last run in a race that fell apart. In fact, if she had a clear run, like the winner, she's probably a lot closer.

CSC · #5 10-25-2008, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man

So we have a race where the winner, the 2nd horse, and the 4th horse were, respectively, 7th, 8th, and 9th, in a 10 horse field, with the 10th horse badly outrun, YET, the consensus is that the only horse that ran early and finished with them GOT A BETTER SETUP.

The winner got the best setup of the top 4, as she RAN LAST. In other words, AFTER WaW had made her wide bid on the turn, AFTER Visit, who was behind FT to the turn, made that sharp move INTO the fastest fractions, and AFTER SH, who was also behind the winner, made her run.

As for Sealy Hill, I used her last out in exactas with Callwood Dancer, as they both had ridiculous trips in the Canadian S. She wasn't a mystery, she just happened to make the 2nd to last run in a race that fell apart. In fact, if she had a clear run, like the winner, she's probably a lot closer.

Even before the race I didn't like the 2 pace setters Folk Opera and Halfway to Heaven, a comment by O'Brien I thought was very curious as he said before the race she had gotten 3 excellent & cagey rides in her 3 wire to wire wins in gr.1 co. indicated to me her form is somewhat dressed up, and her odds in those races would seem to say this. Folk Opera had a ridiculous trip in her last and really hasn't been much more than a gr.2 filly in europe this yr. I don't think too much can be read that these 2 fillies faded, I will say this Wait A While looked like the winner sitting 3rd after watching the 2 leaders duel, yes she was a bit wide but Forever Together was wide also. Wait A While just didn't kick on, and that seems like the norm for some of Todd's horses this year.