Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hrfan

your way off on some of these, Dynaforce is a lot more likely then Halfway to Heaven and good luck tossing Red Rocks.

Really? How do you figure?

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? How do you figure?

I could be wrong, but i think the Europeans are down this year, i dont like any of them in any race other then maybe in the Juvenile Turf races.... Dynaforce has done nothing wrong, first time in the US she ran huge, she ran huge again at Saratoga, one bad race when she was rank and did not get the best trip and then she came back and rebounded in a big way last time out. Folk Opra could be on a slow slow pace, and Dynaforce could/should sit a perfect trip tracking the slow pace.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hrfan

I could be wrong, but i think the Europeans are down this year, i dont like any of them in any race other then maybe in the Juvenile Turf races.... Dynaforce has done nothing wrong, first time in the US she ran huge, she ran huge again at Saratoga, one bad race when she was rank and did not get the best trip and then she came back and rebounded in a big way last time out. Folk Opra could be on a slow slow pace, and Dynaforce could/should sit a perfect trip tracking the slow pace.

Dynaforce had the trip of a lifetime in the Flower Bowl. Once she was able to lay down :52 and 1:19, all she had to do to win was not trip over herself. I thought she got beat on the square in all three races before that, and I don't think the pace will be as slow as you say. She's a nice enough filly, but to say she's "way more likely" than Halfway to Heaven makes no sense.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dynaforce had the trip of a lifetime in the Flower Bowl. Once she was able to lay down :52 and 1:19, all she had to do to win was not trip over herself. I thought she got beat on the square in all three races before that, and I don't think the pace will be as slow as you say. She's a nice enough filly, but to say she's "way more likely" than Halfway to Heaven makes no sense.

Your right, but i cant see how anyone could toss her in this spot, i feel she is as good as Halfway to Heaven....

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[CSC]

Originally Posted by hrfan

Your right, but i cant see how anyone could toss her in this spot, i feel she is as good as Halfway to Heaven....

Stop jinxing her. You've named just about half the field.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Dynaforce had the trip of a lifetime in the Flower Bowl. Once she was able to lay down :52 and 1:19, all she had to do to win was not trip over herself. I thought she got beat on the square in all three races before that, and I don't think the pace will be as slow as you say. She's a nice enough filly, but to say she's "way more likely" than Halfway to Heaven makes no sense.

This is one of the most interesting races on the card, In my opinion I don't think there is a lot difference in quality between Forever Together, Mauralakana, and Dynaforce. They've traded decisions and trip is what usually what separates them.

I don't disagree about the soft pace Dynaforce inherited in the F Bowl but she did accelerate away from Mauralakana I believe a good 3 furlongs out once they started to sprint for the line and extended that cushion. Now maybe Mauralakana does not like a softer turf course but I have a contrarian view on the soft trip angle. The way I see this race shape up is Folk Opera on the lead with Halfway, Dynaforce and Wait A While pressing. I think Folk Opera needs the lead whereas the other 3 are pressers. Whoever can kick home the best most likely will be the winner, I wouldn't want to be the chaser lying 2nd. But the 1st or 3rd and 4th horse ready to pounce most likely. I'm only dissapointed P. kitten is not in it to add more speed to the mix. This is a race where I think the NA's stack up very well against the Euro's. Halfway to Heaven while good is not in the league of the top females in Europe and I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't take a beating at the windows.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I completely agree with your last sentence. Consider the source. And you are right about the Flower Bowl. I actually like Dynaforce, but it has nothing to do with the Flower Bowl. I thought she ran well first time here and I thought she ran a winning race in the Diana. I'm not going to go crazy on her, but I think her best fits here. Mauralakana is going to be tough and I'll have a hard time leaving Visit or Halfway To Heaven off any multi race ticket I play. What about Vacare underneath at a price?

I've given up on Vacare. I had high hopes for her after her three-year-old season, but she's done nothing but disappoint me since.

Originally Posted by CSC

I don't disagree about the soft pace Dynaforce inherited in the F Bowl but she did accelerate away from Mauralakana I believe a good 3 furlongs out once they started to sprint for the line and extended that cushion. Now maybe Mauralakana does not like a softer turf course but I have a contrarian view on the soft trip angle.

It's not really debatable that Mauralakana had a significantly worse trip than Dynaforce in the Flower Bowl. Why wouldn't Dynaforce have "accelerated away" from Mauralakana? Soft course or no, that was Dynaforce's best chance to beat Mauralakana, and she took advantage. Good for her, but I don't see a remotely similar setup materializing in this race.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I've given up on Vacare. I had high hopes for her after her three-year-old season, but she's done nothing but disappoint me since.



It's not really debatable that Mauralakana had a significantly worse trip than Dynaforce in the Flower Bowl. Why wouldn't Dynaforce have "accelerated away" from Mauralakana? Soft course or no, that was Dynaforce's best chance to beat Mauralakana, and she took advantage. Good for her, but I don't see a remotely similar setup materializing in this race.

I watched the replay of The Mauralakana/Dynaforce 1st match up and she really ran a good race coming off a layoff and 1st time in NA. That race if anything will force me to take her today just because I believe she will be the forgotten horse or the one that seems to have the footing/trip questions of the contenders. I'll try her(Dynaforce) with some confidence today, I think she fits in here.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Really? How do you figure?

Who do you like in the race ?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by hrfan

Who do you like in the race ?

It's a tough one for me, as I have questions about almost everyone in regard to the distance. Gun to my head, I'd probably take Forever Together, especially if she's at her 6-1 M/L price.