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Old 10-22-2008, 08:42 PM
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I know this is the conventional wisdom, but I don't really understand how anybody that watched the Spinster could think Zenyatta is a lock. She is the most likely winner to be sure, but McGaughey's mare seems like she loves two-turns on the synthetic.
Great point, I loved Carriage Trail's Spinster, but I still think Zenyatta will be too much for this group.
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:35 PM
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Zenyatta has only faced 1 or 2 good horses a race in each of her wins. She's never faced 4 or 5 good horses at the same time. It will be a test for sure....
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:57 PM
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I'm in no hurry to bet a horse at 3-5 and will only bet the race in picks if I play, but what does this mean? Do you think another "good" horse or two in any of her races would have mattered? She has destroyed everything out there on any surface she has stepped foot on.
Zenyatta is the Big Brown of the girls it sounds like.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:00 PM
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I'm in no hurry to bet a horse at 3-5 and will only bet the race in picks if I play, but what does this mean? Do you think another "good" horse or two in any of her races would have mattered? She has destroyed everything out there on any surface she has stepped foot on.
Well yeah. It's easy to have an off day. Ginger Punch is better than what she showed at Oaklawn. Hystericalady is a few lengths slower on synth. Who else has she beat....Model? Romance is Diane? Tough Tiz's Sis? Tough Tiz's Sis did win by a lot in her next race, but then again she could have just freaked in the slop.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:02 PM
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With Music Note, Carriage Trail, and Cocoa Beach in there, I get the feeling at least one of them will come up with their best race ever.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:03 PM
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She would have smoked Big Brown.
Would Zenyatta have smoked Eight Belles? My opinion is it would have been very close.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:09 PM
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Really?? Stunned?? She's won 3 of 6 since coming to the US. I think you can toss the try at Churchill since speed was golden all Derby weekend long and they crawled around the track. She certainly vindicated herself a few weeks later at Belmont, a race where she had to dig down and hang on. She lost by a pimple to Diamond Diva and was second to the boys at Woodbine. She's run well on 2 different synthetic surfaces and should get plenty of pace to run at. What am i missing? Are you sure you are thinking of the right horse?
Yeah, that's the horse all right. Her loss to Diamond Diva was one of those all time great pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory you'll ever see.

I think she's overrated, but does manage to make noise every race. I think there are some fillies in here that are much better than what she's faced sprinting before, so I just don't see her winning.

I will preface all that though and say I'm terrible with synthetic form. Also, watching synthetic races, I feel like I still cannot get a handle on what I'm seeing.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:12 PM
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Zenyatta is the Big Brown of the girls it sounds like.
Dude, you make pg1985 sound like the love child of DrugS and Julie Krone.

I'm not even sure what I mean by that, but man.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:21 PM
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Dude, you make pg1985 sound like the love child of DrugS and Julie Krone.

I'm not even sure what I mean by that, but man.
Come back when you're sober!
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:22 PM
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She's beat every horse she's faced and done it convincingly. She traveled across the country to run on a surface she hadn't been on before and beat Ginger Punch. I just don't see the knocks. Nowadays more crappy horses get undeserved accolades. She deserves any accolades she gets and more IMO. She's something special. I can see trying to beat a favorite, I get it. But even if one of the 3 horses you mention do throw a lifetime best, I don't think it'll be enough.
No doubt Zenyatta has a GREAT record in 2008. Do you think if Curlin gets beat, then Zenyatta wins HOY?
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:36 PM
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charlie can stop drinking. but you'll always be stupid.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:40 PM
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She's beat every horse she's faced and done it convincingly. She traveled across the country to run on a surface she hadn't been on before and beat Ginger Punch. I just don't see the knocks. Nowadays more crappy horses get undeserved accolades. She deserves any accolades she gets and more IMO. She's something special. I can see trying to beat a favorite, I get it. But even if one of the 3 horses you mention do throw a lifetime best, I don't think it'll be enough.
The only unknown in the race is if Music Note moves up on this track, if she does she might make a race of it.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:44 PM
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For somebody who calls himself God, I guess I can't argue against that. Whatever you say.
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Old 10-22-2008, 10:52 PM
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For somebody who calls himself God, I guess I can't argue against that. Whatever you say.
i was going to let this go until you gave me the "whatever".

now you have cancer. happy?
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:00 PM
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i was going to let this go until you gave me the "whatever".

now you have cancer. happy?
What a pathetic person you are. When you lose somebody you love to cancer (in my case pancreatic which is about the worst), and watch them deteriorate,there is nothing remotely funny about that.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:01 PM
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Toss: Curlin
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:04 PM
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O.k.. I can see this thread is going downhill fast..



I'm leavin'
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:04 PM
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What a pathetic person you are. When you lose somebody you love to cancer (in my case pancreatic which is about the worst), and watch them deteriorate,there is nothing remotely funny about that.
charlie's father died of cirrhosis kettle.
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Old 10-22-2008, 11:07 PM
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Would this be an inappropriate time to mention that my Dad died on BC day last year....from cancer?
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