Kip Deville to IEAH

Originally Posted by mp3

read a post inquiring as to the new owner. Read it on there website. They are pointing him to the col cup and va derby. Saw he worked extremely fast at aqueduct today. This horse will be a serious threat in those races under Dutrows tutelage.

If my friend gets back in the country by that weekend I am going to that race. Anyone else going? It is a smart race to point towards because of the money, but he is running for 3rd place at best. Still that is a nice check out of $1 million.

[mp3]

who have you heard. I heard showing up and stream cat. Off the numbers he is right with Showing up and towers over stream cat. He was trained by Mike neatherlin and ran a 99 beyer and 5.75 rag. Will move up decidedly for RD.

Originally Posted by mp3

who have you heard. I heard showing up and stream cat. Off the numbers he is right with Showing up and towers over stream cat. He was trained by Mike neatherlin and ran a 99 beyer and 5.75 rag. Will move up decidedly for RD.

$500,000K is way too much to pay for that horse unless they think he can get it back in the next two races. He is an OK bred and $500K is a pretty penny for a horse that couldn't even handle allowance horses on the turf at Remington. His other turf win was in a $13,000 allowance race. More inclined to think he liked a soft turf than think he is a good horse because of a $75K turf win at Lonestar. His efforts against Lawyer Ron on the dirt were just terrible.

He really isn't there with Showing Up because Showing Up has no figures. SU loves the turf though. He made English Channel look slow yesterday morning at Belmont. I guess he could beat Hurley's horse. It is horse racing though, so you never know.

[Scav]

Bold Ruler,

That is an AWFUL powerful statement making English Channel look slow, he must be a monster on the turf

Originally Posted by Scav

Bold Ruler,

That is an AWFUL powerful statement making English Channel look slow, he must be a monster on the turf

EC worked pretty slow (race this weekend) so it really is hard to say and Showing Up's work was incredibly fast. It appears that he took to the turf. I didn't see the works just heard about them last night and read the times yesterday. SU's time was significantly faster than any other horse on the turf. My friend said Showing Up is super fast but distance could be a problem. Not an expert, but I was told it will be interesting to see how SU's speed works on the turf where it usually is better to come from off the pace. SU is no Barbaro though but a nice replacement. 3yr olds on the turf this year aren't much, probably why the bought that horse. None of them stand a chance of winning that bonus because they would have to beat older horses in the BC. Still $1M races are tough to come by. Wonder where all the Europeans are.

Distance: Five Furlongs
Breed Type: Thoroughbred
Surface: Inner turf
Track: Good

Horse Name Time Notes Rank Add to

BLAZING PURRSUIT (KY) 1:03.55 b 3/8
CERTIFIABLY CRAZY (NY) 1:04.94 b 6/8
CLOAKOF VAGUENESS (KY) 1:03.51 b 2/8
GOLDEN COMMANDER (NY) 1:05.14 b 7/8
MASSEUSE (KY) 1:04.66 b 5/8
PRIME DIAMOND (NY) 1:05.84 b 8/8
SHOWING UP (KY) 1:02.01 b 1/8
SILVER WHISTLE (KY) 1:04.34 b 4/8

Distance: Four Furlongs
Breed Type: Thoroughbred
Surface: Inner turf
Track: Good

Horse Name Time Notes Rank Add to

ALL TRUMPS (KY) 53.01 b 12/19
BRIGHT ABUNDANCE (KY) 51.24 b 5/19
BRUNILDA (ARG) 49.80 b 1/19
DEFER (KY) 53.34 b 14/19
ENGLISH CHANNEL (KY) 52.91 b 11/19

Originally Posted by boldruler

EC worked pretty slow (race this weekend) so it really is hard to say and Showing Up's work was incredibly fast. It appears that he took to the turf. I didn't see the works just heard about them last night and read the times yesterday. SU's time was significantly faster than any other horse on the turf. My friend said Showing Up is super fast but distance could be a problem. Not an expert, but I was told it will be interesting to see how SU's speed works on the turf where it usually is better to come from off the pace. SU is no Barbaro though but a nice replacement. 3yr olds on the turf this year aren't much, probably why the bought that horse. None of them stand a chance of winning that bonus because they would have to beat older horses in the BC. Still $1M races are tough to come by. Wonder where all the Europeans are.

Ruler please get a clue. EC would mop teh floor with any 3YO in teh country on grass. My clocker said his work was great. Todd (Unlike ceratin trainers who take older horses off form with scorching works once a week, cough cough ahem) works his horses in a controlled manner only looking for them to finish well and travel well. Horse is racing this week, what should he have done, work him in 58 flat? You are talking about the greatest trainer in teh world, noone else is close, I think he knows what hes doing.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Ruler please get a clue. EC would mop teh floor with any 3YO in teh country on grass. My clocker said his work was great. Todd (Unlike ceratin trainers who take older horses off form with scorching works once a week, cough cough ahem) works his horses in a controlled manner only looking for them to finish well and travel well. Horse is racing this week, what should he have done, work him in 58 flat? You are talking about the greatest trainer in teh world, noone else is close, I think he knows what hes doing.

Got to take a shot at you Oracle, and I have a feeling I will pay for it, but it is hard for me to listen to a guy telling me to get a clue when that guy didn't know Barbican broke his ankle. His throat ulcer kept him out of training for a week, not the entire spring. Go ahead, unload. I will be back to read later.

[zippyneedsawin]

I think I read an article that the "dogs" were out on the turf course as well, meaning the horses were running some 30-40 feet (or more) off of the rail. That alone can account for the "slow" workout times.