Papi Chullo in $16k claimer today

[slotdirt]

Wow, that's unbelievable. I met the owners (at the time) on last year's Belmont day where he won the Birdstone Stakes. Seemed like nice enough folks.

[parsixfarms]

Looks like he goes from the Whitney Handicap at Saratoga in 2007 to the starter handicaps at Aqueduct in 2008-09.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Looks like he goes from the Whitney Handicap at Saratoga in 2007 to the starter handicaps at Aqueduct in 2008-09.

Being that he returned at Delaware I can't wait to bet against him in NY.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

Wow, that's unbelievable. I met the owners (at the time) on last year's Belmont day where he won the Birdstone Stakes. Seemed like nice enough folks.

Does that mean running the horse for a 16k tag makes them not nice?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

Does that mean running the horse for a 16k tag makes them not nice?

Actually yes it does. A horse that has done so much for them running in a 16K claimer. They certainly could have given him a nice retirement for what he has done for them.

[Handicappy]

Originally Posted by jms62

Actually yes it does. A horse that has done so much for them running in a 16K claimer. They certainly could have given him a nice retirement for what he has done for them.

The best response to a question on the blog.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by jms62

Actually yes it does. A horse that has done so much for them running in a 16K claimer. They certainly could have given him a nice retirement for what he has done for them.

He was purchased privately three or four starts ago ( at least in part ).

[slotdirt]

I think my comment of yesterday was misunderstood. It just seems like a darn long way to fall that fast for a horse that was running pretty decently just a year ago.

[Linny]

The horse was first off the long layoff, plnging in price and had tons of red flags, even at $16k. I'm not sure but thin Winning Move bought him just before the May 4th '07 race at Belmont. I saw him win the Birdstone in their colors. I don't know when IEAH and Goldfarb (?) got in. They are listed as co owners in the Tue Form .
My guess is that they gave him the race, hoping that no one would talk the risk on him in this economy and the liklihood of having to pay to ship him someplace once DEL ends. The risk paid off, they won and kept the horse.
As for him going from G1 to overnights inside a year well, he was hardly a true G1 horse as his Whitney was a 12 length loss. He was a solid G2-3 horse however. It's not like horses don't plummet. (Anyone noticed Silver Prospector in for a $4k tag at F'Lakes lately. Last winter he was winning at AQU with BSF's over 100.)

BTW, as an aside, I met Papi a couple of years ago in the Saratoga Stakes barn. He was asweet horse, let my son feed him treats etc. Even though he was a colt, he wasn't mouthy or pushy. Whatever happens to him, I hope he gets to put his nice attitude to work someplace.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Linny

The horse was first off the long layoff, plnging in price and had tons of red flags, even at $16k. I'm not sure but thin Winning Move bought him just before the May 4th '07 race at Belmont. I saw him win the Birdstone in their colors. I don't know when IEAH and Goldfarb (?) got in. They are listed as co owners in the Tue Form .
My guess is that they gave him the race, hoping that no one would talk the risk on him in this economy and the liklihood of having to pay to ship him someplace once DEL ends. The risk paid off, they won and kept the horse.
As for him going from G1 to overnights inside a year well, he was hardly a true G1 horse as his Whitney was a 12 length loss. He was a solid G2-3 horse however. It's not like horses don't plummet. (Anyone noticed Silver Prospector in for a $4k tag at F'Lakes lately. Last winter he was winning at AQU with BSF's over 100.)

BTW, as an aside, I met Papi a couple of years ago in the Saratoga Stakes barn. He was asweet horse, let my son feed him treats etc. Even though he was a colt, he wasn't mouthy or pushy. Whatever happens to him, I hope he gets to put his nice attitude to work someplace.

Sorry to Papi's former owners that sold, they shouldn't be lumped in with what happened. IEAH?? Running him in an 18K claimer is kind of different than the sappy pictures of Ivarone consoling Big Brown and all of the stories (from them) about how much they love thier horses... I got blasted when I said I "Hated" them on these threads but they are doing nothing to change my opinion. So instead of "hate" can I say they disappoint me as human beings. But again they are Wallstreet boys and we know how that story is playing out.

[MISTERGEE]

papi has won over 300k, last sat at kee race 2, Tour of the Cat winner of over 1 million $ wins a 16 k race and pays $16.80. I wonder how many 1 mill or more earners have ever run fot that price or less. by the way tour of the cat is a 10yo g

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Linny

The horse was first off the long layoff, plnging in price and had tons of red flags, even at $16k. I'm not sure but thin Winning Move bought him just before the May 4th '07 race at Belmont. I saw him win the Birdstone in their colors. I don't know when IEAH and Goldfarb (?) got in. They are listed as co owners in the Tue Form .
My guess is that they gave him the race, hoping that no one would talk the risk on him in this economy and the liklihood of having to pay to ship him someplace once DEL ends. The risk paid off, they won and kept the horse.
As for him going from G1 to overnights inside a year well, he was hardly a true G1 horse as his Whitney was a 12 length loss. He was a solid G2-3 horse however. It's not like horses don't plummet. (Anyone noticed Silver Prospector in for a $4k tag at F'Lakes lately. Last winter he was winning at AQU with BSF's over 100.)

BTW, as an aside, I met Papi a couple of years ago in the Saratoga Stakes barn. He was asweet horse, let my son feed him treats etc. Even though he was a colt, he wasn't mouthy or pushy. Whatever happens to him, I hope he gets to put his nice attitude to work someplace.

If even that, he was 2nd in two G3's and won an overnight stake. I like the horse, he's always been a cult favorite of ours ("heees fan club is free"), but it's not like he was a world beater.

He's probably worth 30-50k right now. So they drop him in for half that and pick up a quick check gambling, like you said, that nobody grabs him at that price. He'll probably be running for 40-50k over the winter at Aqueduct.

Seeing Shake You Down, the absolute best sprinter in the country for a couple of months in '03, in for 5k really made me angry, this doesn't. It's an acceptable business decision spotting the horse reasonably appropriately.