Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hrfan

am i crazy not to like any euorpean in any race ?

Have you looked at all of the PPs yet?

Originally Posted by miraja2

Have you looked at all of the PPs yet?

i have been looking for 2 days now.
why ?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by hrfan

i have been looking for 2 days now.
why ?

Well, because it seems a bit odd to start tossing a bunch of horses and making selections before you even know for sure who is going to be in the race. For example, it is usually smart to try to determine what the pace of a race figures to be before you start making slections. Considering that we don't even know for sure who will be running in all of these races yet, you can't really have the foggiest clue what the pace scenario for a couple of these races.
That strikes me as somewhat important.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Well, because it seems a bit odd to start tossing a bunch of horses and making selections before you even know for sure who is going to be in the race. For example, it is usually smart to try to determine what the pace of a race figures to be before you start making slections. Considering that we don't even know for sure who will be running in all of these races yet, you can't really have the foggiest clue what the pace scenario for a couple of these races.
That strikes me as somewhat important.

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out which 14 are going to get into these races so you have a pretty good idea of who is going to run at this point, especially since we know first and second preference for everyone. Sure there could be a few late injuries like Red Giant that changes things but that can happen between entries and the race anyways.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

It doesn't really take a rocket scientist to figure out which 14 are going to get into these races so you have a pretty good idea of who is going to run at this point, especially since we know first and second preference for everyone. Sure there could be a few late injuries like Red Giant that changes things but that can happen between entries and the race anyways.

True, but I just don't really see the point in handicapping ANY race before it is drawn. I rarely, if ever, handicap a race until at least the day before it is run. The more you know about who is actually in the race, all recent works, post positions etc., the better.
Even if we did know for sure who was going to be in all of the races (which we do not), we still don't know what the post positions are. Now, in my opinion, post position is pretty meaningless in the vast majority of all horse races, but in races with larger fields - and some of the BC races fit that description - it could play a role in dictating who will be forced to gun for the lead, who is at risk of getting caught wide, etc. This is the kind of stuff I like to know before I start handicapping.
I guess there is nothing really wrong with handicapping races before they are drawn, but it seems like a bit of a waste of time given the fact that I think a good handicapper would need to look carefully at the race AFTER it is drawn anyway.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by miraja2

True, but I just don't really see the point in handicapping ANY race before it is drawn. I rarely, if ever, handicap a race until at least the day before it is run. The more you know about who is actually in the race, all recent works, post positions etc., the better.
Even if we did know for sure who was going to be in all of the races (which we do not), we still don't know what the post positions are. Now, in my opinion, post position is pretty meaningless in the vast majority of all horse races, but in races with larger fields - and some of the BC races fit that description - it could play a role in dictating who will be forced to gun for the lead, who is at risk of getting caught wide, etc. This is the kind of stuff I like to know before I start handicapping.
I guess there is nothing really wrong with handicapping races before they are drawn, but it seems like a bit of a waste of time given the fact that I think a good handicapper would need to look carefully at the race AFTER it is drawn anyway.

Of course you need to go back and take another look once the official entries come out. I'm certainly not putting together actual wagers now but I think there is a benefit to capping through the races to get an idea of the horses' past performances and who will be potential pace factors. And usually when the final entries do come out there are very few adjustments that need to be made since there are very few surprises between the pre-entries and final entries.

So I don't see any problem with discussing the races now. Of course if you are just picking the horses' names that you recognize it is largely useless, but that has nothing to do with whether or not entries are out.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

So I don't see any problem with discussing the races now.

I don't see any problem with discussing the races or horses in a general way either. I had no problem with the original poster's decision to bring up three specific horses who he believed merited some discussion. That's fine.
My only point was that hrfan seemed to have decided that he was tossing a bunch of a horses already from a lot of races. That struck me as rather unproductive given the fact that we don't even know who is in the damn races yet.