Workout injury ends Big Brown Cup hopes, career..

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's easy to explain.....he beat decidely slow horses.

Many also criticized his competition, something he had no control over. Yet, the horses he defeated did manage to come back to finish 1-3 in the Travers (gr. I), 1-3 in the Ohio Derby (gr. II), 1-2 in the Jim Dandy (gr. II), 1-3 in the Swaps Stakes (gr. II), 1-3 in the Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II), 1-3 in the Northern Dancer (gr. III), and first in King's Bishop (gr. I). And the only one to compete against older horses in a major race (Anak Nakal) finished a fast-closing second in the Meadowlands Cup (gr. II).

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Many also criticized his competition, something he had no control over. Yet, the horses he defeated did manage to come back to finish 1-3 in the Travers (gr. I), 1-3 in the Ohio Derby (gr. II), 1-2 in the Jim Dandy (gr. II), 1-3 in the Swaps Stakes (gr. II), 1-3 in the Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II), 1-3 in the Northern Dancer (gr. III), and first in King's Bishop (gr. I). And the only one to compete against older horses in a major race (Anak Nakal) finished a fast-closing second in the Meadowlands Cup (gr. II).

Relax. Seriously. If anything, it just shows even further how terrible almost the entire crop was.

Did you see the Meadowlands Cup?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Relax. Seriously. If anything, it just shows even further how terrible almost the entire crop was.

Did you see the Meadowlands Cup?

I did not.

[the_fat_man]

I think racing should take from cycling and add another component: the time trial. You have horses race together and horses time trial. Beyerlike speed figures make a lot of sense in time trials and Sheets type figures make more sense in races. (Running 11 lengths more than the winner, getting beat by a few lengths, and then getting a lower figure and thus being deemed TOO SLOW by the 'fanatics' doesn't quite make sense to me.)

I have no problem with acknowledging that a given horse is FASTER than another IF and only IF this comes as the result of a time trial type event. As I also have no problem with a horse that does something unique (goes against the grain) being better than its peers. Too bad the latter are very few and far between.

Of course, given that most of these horses can barely make it to the track for a handful of races a year (or career), we might not be seeing this new format any time soon. We're thus left debating FAST and SLOW.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Many also criticized his competition, something he had no control over. Yet, the horses he defeated did manage to come back to finish 1-3 in the Travers (gr. I), 1-3 in the Ohio Derby (gr. II), 1-2 in the Jim Dandy (gr. II), 1-3 in the Swaps Stakes (gr. II), 1-3 in the Pennsylvania Derby (gr. II), 1-3 in the Northern Dancer (gr. III), and first in King's Bishop (gr. I). And the only one to compete against older horses in a major race (Anak Nakal) finished a fast-closing second in the Meadowlands Cup (gr. II).

you are aware tho, that those races are run pretty much every year, and generally have a winner?