Manny...

horseofcourse · #1 10-15-2008, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Wow. That was some horse racing analogy too.

It was horrible without question. Albert Pujols was 28 this year. Manny Ramirez had a better year at 28 than Pujols did this year.

ateamstupid · #2 10-15-2008, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by horseofcourse

It was horrible without question. Albert Pujols was 28 this year. Manny Ramirez had a better year at 28 than Pujols did this year.

LOL, Pujols hit .357 with 37 and 116. At 28, Manny hit .351 with 38 and 122. To you that's distinctively better? Manny also walked 86 times that year with 117 strikeouts, while this year Pujols walked 104 times with 54 strikeouts.

To me, walks to strikeout ratio is a very underrated statistic when it comes to judging hitters. Pujols hasn't had 70 strikeouts in a season since his rookie year, while Manny has had 100+ in 11 seasons. Even if you want to say their AVG/HR/RBI numbers are similar (which isn't really true), Pujols' ability to always make contact is unmatched by Manny (or just about anyone of his caliber).

Mortimer · #3 10-15-2008, 06:57 PM

Jhonny being Jhonny.

Cannon Shell · #4 10-15-2008, 08:41 PM

Honestly i'm not knocking manny in any way just pointing out the media frenzy that surrounds every guy that acts a little crazy. He is not the greatest righthanded batter right now let alone all time. There are other guys like Hank Aaron, Joe D, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Jimmie Foxx, in addition to Pujols who the media seems to have forgotten or worse just doesnt know about or ignores. Manny is a great hitter and you can say he is in the conversation but imo after 8 years Pujols is a better overall hitter than Manny.

Mortimer · #5 10-15-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Honestly i'm not knocking manny in any way just pointing out the media frenzy that surrounds every guy that acts a little crazy. He is not the greatest righthanded batter right now let alone all time. There are other guys like Hank Aaron, Joe D, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Jimmie Foxx, in addition to Pujols who the media seems to have forgotten or worse just doesnt know about or ignores. Manny is a great hitter and you can say he is in the conversation but imo after 8 years Pujols is a better overall hitter than Manny.

Double X is baseballs best kept secret.

Fans should take a look at his career record. It's amazing.When he was done he was 2nd to Ruth in hr's.

horseofcourse · #6 10-16-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mortimer

Jhonny being Jhonny.

You don't want me to start talking Jhonny do you??

I agree with Cannon that through 8 years of their careers...Pujols' first 8 years were better than Manny's. I am stubborn, but not that stubborn. And 8 years from now people will likely be calling Pujols the best right handed hitter in the history of the game perhaps.

And morty...of all the Indians myriad of problems this year...Jhonny Peralta was about number 99 in the list of 100 problems they had...with Cliff Lee being number 100 on that list.

timmgirvan · #7 10-16-2008, 05:53 PM

So back to Manny....Dodgers have Manny,Furcal and Lowe as free agents. Who stays and who flies the coop? For my money, I definately keep Furcal, want to keep Lowe around(but would keep an eye out for others) and let Manny go, even though they need his pop. I heard he wants a 6yr deal..so see ya!

Cannon Shell · #8 10-16-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So back to Manny....Dodgers have Manny,Furcal and Lowe as free agents. Who stays and who flies the coop? For my money, I definately keep Furcal, want to keep Lowe around(but would keep an eye out for others) and let Manny go, even though they need his pop. I heard he wants a 6yr deal..so see ya!

I think they let them all go. There is a chance they are all listed as type A free agents which gets them three first round picks. Nobody is paying Manny what he wants for 4 years, Lowe is going to go for above market rate and Furcal simply cant stay healthy. They may be a player for Sabathia and getting these salaries off the payroll and Jones and I think Garciaparra next year puts them in a pretty good spot. Not to mention getting rid of kents salary.

SCUDSBROTHER · #9 10-16-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

So back to Manny....Dodgers have Manny,Furcal and Lowe as free agents. Who stays and who flies the coop? For my money, I definately keep Furcal, want to keep Lowe around(but would keep an eye out for others) and let Manny go, even though they need his pop. I heard he wants a 6yr deal..so see ya!

Well, Lowe is much better in a contract year. He wasn't good in 2007. Probably will be no better than .500 in 2009. The 1st year here, he was getting drunk in the clubhouse after games. I would guarantee Manny a 6 year deal. 10 MIL A YEAR BASE SALARY. 1 MIL incentive pay for every win over eighty/year. 5 mil incentive pay for any Playoff series won. Gives him the chance to make 40 mil a year, or 10 mil a year. He has to "encourage " his soldiers if he wants to break the bank. I want Furcal back, but he needs a very full examination, because I am not sure those throws were all nerves, or disappointment about falling behind in game 5. Werth hit him pretty hard, too. Furcal is very important to get a team off to a good start in 2009. No doubt, he could get hurt. He does play much harder than a lot of guys.

timmgirvan · #10 10-16-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well, Lowe is much better in a contract year. He wasn't good in 2007. Probably will be no better than .500 in 2009. The 1st year here, he was getting drunk in the clubhouse after games. I would guarantee Manny a 6 year deal. 10 MIL A YEAR BASE SALARY. 1 MIL incentive pay for every win over eighty/year. 5 mil incentive pay for any Playoff series won. Gives him the chance to make 40 mil a year, or 10 mil a year. He has to "encourage " his soldiers if he wants to break the bank. I want Furcal back, but he needs a very full examination, because I am not sure those throws were all nerves, or disappointment about falling behind in game 5. Werth hit him pretty hard, too. Furcal is very important to get a team off to a good start in 2009. No doubt, he could get hurt. He does play much harder than a lot of guys.

I agree that if Furcal is healthy....he's the guy to get it going. Lowe is up and down...would be better with a cushion of runs once in a while. You're a genius if you can get Ramirez to sign for incentives....he'd think you're challenging his manhood.....but he'd be a steal at 10mil with incentives,imo.

docicu3 · #11 10-17-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I agree that if Furcal is healthy....he's the guy to get it going. Lowe is up and down...would be better with a cushion of runs once in a while. You're a genius if you can get Ramirez to sign for incentives....he'd think you're challenging his manhood.....but he'd be a steal at 10mil with incentives,imo.

Have you guys forgotten that Manny walked away from the Red Sox for 20 million a year!! He wants, and will get, 25 million a year for 4 years or a 100 million just to start the negotiation....

horseofcourse · #12 10-16-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Do you really need me to explain why it's a bad anaolgy?

NO...I stated it was horrible. All analogies can be picked apart as the one I used should be.