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08-23-2006, 01:04 PM
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine 
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08-23-2006, 03:40 PM
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That won't happen here. Lots of lively debates ... and out-and-out brawls ... but no maudlin tearjerker, pretty-horsie junk like over there. You'll fit in much better here. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 08-23-2006 at 03:42 PM.
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08-26-2006, 10:44 AM
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08-26-2006, 06:04 PM
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Your getting a fleabite shouldn't diminish your joy ... and mine ... at getting delicious revenge ... on the hyenas and the p-whippeds. King is a decent guy ... learn to live with happiness ... it's your friend.
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#5
08-23-2006, 09:12 PM
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Could this be the same King Glorious who nailed the 2004 Stephen Foster with a 60/1 shot by the name of Colonial Colony? Some picks stay with me..and that was one. Ez
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08-23-2006, 09:17 PM
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Glad you're here King.
 * * * So Bold..... say you have a 2YO who wins her first 9 outta 10, goes on to win the Vagrancy carrying 137 pounds. Wins the Top Flight, the Toboggan..... I know you know where I'm going. Admit it once and for all..... she was a great.
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08-23-2006, 09:34 PM
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To me, "great" and "all time great" have different connotations. There can be many great horses but few all time greats. Following are resumes for three all time greats. Perhaps requirements could be set by examining their accomplishments.
SECRETARIAT - 21 starts, 16 wins, 3 seconds, 1 third, 1 fourth - 5 Eclipse awards, 2yo champ, 3yo champ, grass champ, HOY (2 times) - Triple crown winner - Set track record in all three triple crown races (1:59:2...1:53:2...2:24:0) - Set 5 track records and 1 course record as a 3yo, two of those were world records (3 TR's still stand; 33 years and counting; 10F-1:59:2-Churchill Downs, 12F-2:24:0-Belmont Park, 9F-1:45:2- Belmont Park) - Published workouts still remain the fastest ever - Ran astounding fractions to win the Derby. Each successive fraction was faster than the previous (25:1...24:0...23:4...23:2...23:0). No Derby horse before or since comes close to his final closing quarter of 23 flat…an amazing display of unmatched stamina - Ran the Belmont in 2:24 flat, won by 31 lengths...a full 2 seconds (12 lengths) faster than any other horse that has run in the Belmont. Still stands as the WR for 12fl on dirt. The fractions were absolutely astounding, 23:3...46:1...1:09:4...134:1...1:59:0...2:24:0…aga in an amazing display of unmatched stamina - Destroyed a field of the best older handicap horses in North America in the Marlboro Cup in world record time of 1:45:2 which still stands as the 9fl track record at Belmont Park - Won his last two and only starts on grass, unchallenged, against strong fields of older handicap grass horses - And most compelling of all, Secretariat remains the standard by which all other racing horses are measured The Bid - 30 starts, 26 wins, 2 seconds, 1 third - Champion 2-year-old male, 1978 - Champion 3-year-old male, 1979 - Horse of the Year, champion older male, 1980 - 1980 race record: 9 starts, 9 wins, $1,117,790 - Retired as racing's all-time leading earning in North America - Record in grade 1 races: 15 starts, 13 wins, 1 second, 1 third - Set or tied eight track records from 5 1/2 furlongs to 1 1/4 miles - Still holds American dirt record for 1 1/4 miles, 1:57 4/5 set in Charles H. Strub Stakes (gr.1) at Santa Anita on Feb, 3, 1980 - Final race was a walkover in the Woodward Stakes (gr.1) on Sept. 20, 1980 - Elected to racing's Hall of Fame in 1982 He won grade I stakes on the lead and he won coming from 10 lengths back. He ran seven furlongs in a near-world-record 1:20 flat and 1 1/4 miles in an American and world record 1:57 4/5, a time which has not been equaled on dirt in 26 years. He broke seven track records and equaled another, and he did it at 2 , 3, and 4. As a 2-year-old, he won the World's Playground Stakes at Atlantic City by 15 lengths, running the seven furlongs over a dead racetrack under wraps in an astounding 1:20 4/5. He won at 15 different racetracks in nine different states, and carried 130 pounds or more to victory five times. To demonstrate his dominance, and the respect the public had for him, he was sent off at odds of 1-20, that's 1-20, an unheard of eight times, and 1-10 six times. Beginning with the World's Playground, he won 24 of 26 starts, rattling off 12-race and 10-race winning streaks, while facing such classy grade I winners as Flying Paster, General Assembly, Coastal, Glorious Song, Cox's Ridge, and Golden Act. His only two defeats came at 1 1/2 miles, when he stepped on a safety pin the morning of the Belmont, almost losing his foot after a bad infection set in, and in the Jockey Club Gold Cup, when he was beaten by Hall of Famer Affirmed after being forced to miss his prep in the Woodward Stakes due to a virus. JOHN HENRY Voted 7 Eclipse Awards Voted Horse of the Year 1981 and 1984 Only horse to win Horse of the Year more than once but not in consecutive years Voted Champion Older Horse 1981 Oldest horse to win Horse of the Year - at age 9 Oldest horse to win a Grade 1 race - at age 9 Voted Champion Turf Horse - 1980, 1981, 1982, 1984 Won 30 stakes races Only horse to win the Arlington Million(G1) twice - 1981 & 1984 Only horse to win the Santa Anita Handicap(G1) twice - 1981 & 1982 (has been tied, Milwaukee Brew) Won more grade stakes than any other Thoroughbred - 25 Voted racehorse of the decade for the 1980's Still the richest gelding of any breed in history Retired as the world's richest thoroughbred - July 28, 1985 Inducted into Racing's Hall of Fame in 1990 Voted 23rd best racehorse of the 20th Century
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08-24-2006, 01:05 PM
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Now Pup is here too! Hey ... is there anyone left over "there" ... aside from the hyenas? Pretty soon ... those alpha-females won't have anyone left to prey on ... so ... maybe we should "pray" for them?
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08-24-2006, 01:15 PM
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I see you are about to go on another secret mission. These folks probably don't know that the "Bond" character in Ian Flemming's books were largely based on the adventures of Mr Brooklynite.
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08-24-2006, 01:18 PM
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Hey, Pup ... stick around ... this is a very interesting place ... 100% hyena-free. King Glorious, Damascus, Fupeg, Ez, lots of others ... are here now. Even War Emblem will be here full-time soon. Steve Byk ... who runs this joint ... is an all-time great mensch.
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08-23-2006, 11:12 PM
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... "she" lost 24 of "her" 52 races .... 46% ... and "she" wasn't even the best female sprinter of her era ... because ... ... Tosmah beat "her" three out of three ... twice crushingly. Did I say "Tosmah" ... the champion 2YO and 3YO filly who was lapped on Hedevar when he equalled the world record for a mile ... while spotting him eight pounds ... and who was still winning G1 handicaps while spotting weight to colts as a 5YO? Yeah ... I guess I did.
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08-24-2006, 12:08 AM
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Why choose to look at her losses and not her wins? 28 and (I believe) Affectionately hit the board 42 times total..... Stop finding the negative Bold..... turn it around, open your eyes and embrace the positive. Oh and admit that she was A CHAMPION. 
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08-24-2006, 12:26 PM
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And unlike you ... I saw "her" run ... in person ... many times ... as I did with all Jacobs horses ... just to get a glimpse of my darlin' Patrice ... the only decent human to look at in the paddock in those days. I had a great deal of affection for "her" ... and many fond memories ... her 137-pound trick was spectacular ... but as good as "she" was ... Tosmah was better ... not to mention Smart Deb, What A Treat, Terentia, Discipline, Steeple Jill, and Destro. Those were the days when there were lots and lots of professional fillies and mares around ... not just a bunch of "fresh" "spaced-out" runway models.
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08-24-2006, 12:35 PM
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08-23-2006, 09:58 PM
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine
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08-23-2006, 10:07 PM
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Sorry..... you know i love him. Couldn't resist.
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