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08-23-2006, 10:55 AM
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If a horse needs to face open company then a triple crown horse could never be considered great. We all know that once a horse does that, that horse is off to the shed. Again, let go back to Smarty--his only loss is a 2nd in the Belmont. He had plenty of races and beat everyone he faced. So we dont deem him great because he didnt beat older horses.
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08-23-2006, 11:01 AM
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... which causes me to hesitiate a bit to even call Count Fleet and Ruffian "great" ... because they never won again after their respective Triple Crown victories. Their "greatness" is based more on the fact that they were champions as 2YOS and 3YOS ... and the quality of their performances ... rather than on the scope of their careers. Yes ... it is a problem.
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08-23-2006, 11:04 AM
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08-23-2006, 08:51 PM
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08-24-2006, 12:51 PM
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... this in an extremely ignorant person ... who tops my "Ignore" list. In my post ... I clearly said "their respective Triple Crown races" ... but this dumb-as-a-catcher's-mitt loser obviously doesn't understand the usage of "respective" in that context. You'll save your eyes a lot of wasted wear-and-tear ... if you add him to your "Ignore" list as well. Take care, good buddy.
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08-24-2006, 01:01 PM
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08-24-2006, 12:38 PM
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08-23-2006, 11:04 AM
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08-23-2006, 11:10 AM
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For me, I want to see a few things:
1. Wins in the top races of their class. 2. Carrying the highest weights in their races. 3. Running fast times/figures. 4. Winning percentage at 60% or more. 5. In the money percentage at 80% or more. 6. At least being a champion in one season. 7. Winning outside of your division. All of these things don't have to be accomplished but most of them should be. If I were to create a hall of fame, I'd say that a couple of those rules would be absolutely required. U'd have to have been a champion in more than one season. U'd have to meet the winning/ITM %. If u don't, u don't make it. I agree with Bold in that if there is doubt, a horse doesn't belong. I don't like the current rules that say u only need to be named on 75% of the ballots. That still means that 25% of the people don't think u belong. That, to me, is not a hall of famer. When horses like Bid and Secretariat came up for inductment, I doubt anyone hesitated on them. That is what the hall should be for. The very best of the best. Not just those that had a good season or won a couple of big races.
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08-23-2006, 11:14 AM
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Great to see you here ... hope you show up a lot more often. You've got a long way to go to pass Oracle80 as most-frequent-poster on this forum ... but if anyone can do it ... you can! Kinda dull over "there" now ... ain't it?
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08-23-2006, 11:44 AM
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08-23-2006, 03:51 PM
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... don't let that dude grab the lead. But watch this guy King Glorious ... he's got a posting kick like you wouldn't believe ... a tremendous machine.
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08-24-2006, 07:14 AM
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that would be Mr. That Dude to you.
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08-23-2006, 01:04 PM
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08-23-2006, 03:40 PM
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That won't happen here. Lots of lively debates ... and out-and-out brawls ... but no maudlin tearjerker, pretty-horsie junk like over there. You'll fit in much better here. Last edited by Bold Brooklynite : 08-23-2006 at 03:42 PM.
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08-26-2006, 10:44 AM
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08-26-2006, 06:04 PM
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Your getting a fleabite shouldn't diminish your joy ... and mine ... at getting delicious revenge ... on the hyenas and the p-whippeds. King is a decent guy ... learn to live with happiness ... it's your friend.
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08-23-2006, 09:12 PM
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Could this be the same King Glorious who nailed the 2004 Stephen Foster with a 60/1 shot by the name of Colonial Colony? Some picks stay with me..and that was one. Ez
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08-23-2006, 09:17 PM
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Glad you're here King.
 * * * So Bold..... say you have a 2YO who wins her first 9 outta 10, goes on to win the Vagrancy carrying 137 pounds. Wins the Top Flight, the Toboggan..... I know you know where I'm going. Admit it once and for all..... she was a great.
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08-23-2006, 09:58 PM
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