Tips/Thoughts on Breeders' Cup tickets this year?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It is possible that Casino Drive will be the biggest underlay in the history of horse racing. Honestly, he should be upwards of 50:1.

He's at least 1000 times more likely a winner than that cheap claimer that tried the BC Turf a number of years ago, that went off at surprisingly low odds.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

He's at least 1000 times more likely a winner than that cheap claimer that tried the BC Turf a number of years ago, that went off at surprisingly low odds.

Miesques Approval? Ask Byk about that one

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Miesques Approval? Ask Byk about that one

lol, yeah, not quite.

What the hell was that horse named? I think he was from New Mexico.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

lol, yeah, not quite.

What the hell was that horse named? I think he was from New Mexico.

Ricks Natural Star?

[Danzig]

he won the first part of the race.

[letswastemoney]

How can anyone say he should be 50-1?? His beyers are on par with the rest of the 3 year old crop. He's a grade 2 winner, in only his 2nd start! I think people don't like him because of all the attention he's getting.

[cowgirlintexas]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

How can anyone say he should be 50-1?? His beyers are on par with the rest of the 3 year old crop. He's a grade 2 winner, in only his 2nd start! I think people don't like him because of all the attention he's getting.

Sweet..more $$ in my pocket

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm sure partly that is true. But you have to understand, we're talking about a horse that has made 3 lifetime starts. He ran well in the Peter Pan, but that certainly hasn't come back a good race. It was a grade 2 in name only. It just is strange to me that people are talking so highly of a horse that will be such underlaid odds. Basically because of who his dam has produced. It just doesn't make much sense to me from a betting perspective.

He now has a race and win over the track, he cruised around off of a long layoff. Who is really def. better, unless your taKING a shot with a horse who has never ran over the surface Example: Curlin or any of the Europeans. I will be sticking to the horse proven over Synthetics. Casino, Go Between and Tiago.

Originally Posted by hrfan

He now has a race and win over the track, he cruised around off of a long layoff. Who is really def. better, unless your taKING a shot with a horse who has never ran over the surface Example: Curlin or any of the Europeans. I will be sticking to the horse proven over Synthetics. Casino, Go Between and Tiago.

Well that makes things easier...


*scribes frantically*

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm sure partly that is true. But you have to understand, we're talking about a horse that has made 3 lifetime starts. He ran well in the Peter Pan, but that certainly hasn't come back a good race. It was a grade 2 in name only. It just is strange to me that people are talking so highly of a horse that will be such underlaid odds. Basically because of who his dam has produced. It just doesn't make much sense to me from a betting perspective.

So, what would you take as fair odds in the win spot?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

At least 30 to 1.

He's still an underlay at 30:1.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Miesques Approval? Ask Byk about that one

That horse had more "juice" than the Minute Maid factory.

[Danzig]

why dont people 'like' him? here's who he beat in the pan: mint lane, ready's echo, Golden Spikes, Cosmic, Spark Candle, Tomcito, Deputyville, and Fast Talking.

yeah, i'm going to bet that horse to beat curlin, well armed, go between, tiago, student council....lol!

he didn't cruise on sunday. and he's going to come back and run a lifetime best two weeks after his last? after having his previous races spread apart by how much time?? three months between his debut and the pan, and 5 months between that and sunday. and his 92 beyer sunday is supposedly on par with the horses he'll be facing the 25th? yeah, sure.

[Bobby Fischer]

often unconventional ,so take whatever i say with a grain of salt...

1. - I could care less about his momma. - Yes I do care about having a quality dam and female family, but I don't believe there is any "belmont blessing" or extra special thing going on here... Solid to good dam and thats it.

2. - Casino Drive is a class animal. He is good physically. He doesn't have any major flaws. He has been well taken care of. He has a good style. Has a little bit of talent. He shows a response. Looks good in motion. This is a nice horse...

3. - In order to have any shot at the Classic, from my opinion, Espinoza would have to put this guy into a move that would normally be called premature, and CD would have to run the whole drive without tiring.
You don't see those types of moves very often at all. Jockeys with nice horses tend to run with the group and wait until the last possible minute and do as little as possible. I just haven't seen the talent yet that would give Casino Drive any chance with a standard trip.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why dont people 'like' him? here's who he beat in the pan: mint lane, ready's echo, Golden Spikes, Cosmic, Spark Candle, Tomcito, Deputyville, and Fast Talking.

yeah, i'm going to bet that horse to beat curlin, well armed, go between, tiago, student council....lol!

he didn't cruise on sunday. and he's going to come back and run a lifetime best two weeks after his last? after having his previous races spread apart by how much time?? three months between his debut and the pan, and 5 months between that and sunday. and his 92 beyer sunday is supposedly on par with the horses he'll be facing the 25th? yeah, sure.

Took almost 11,000 posts....but this is something worth reading.

[The Bid]

Tomshito was supposed to be a monster. Ceaser come out come out wherever you are

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Tomshito was supposed to be a monster. Ceaser come out come out wherever you are

It's silly to compare the two. Casino is a grade 2 winner...and regardless of the competition, he actually was able to beat those 3 year olds...while Tomcito raced in a couple of those races and was never able to win.

Anyway, what 3 year old race was a "key race." They all sucked. This is the weakest Classic field ever, and CD is a grade 2 winner with a beyer top of 99. It should only take about a 105-110 to win this. If he stays the same, he'll finish mid pack. If he improves, he'll be right there.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Took almost 11,000 posts....but this is something worth reading.

i'm a late bloomer.