Obama - good for Americans

[Danzig]

This is a thread to convince all us non believers- so let's hear all the good that Obama will do



that was geekers question. so, no, you didn't answer as apparently you have yet to convince a non-believer.


edit~personally, i was hoping for some good, worthwhile answers. i'm still undecided.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

This is a thread to convince all us non believers- so let's hear all the good that Obama will do



that was geekers question. so, no, you didn't answer as apparently you have yet to convince a non-believer.

its not my job. Ask obama.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

its not my job. Ask obama.

um, yeah..i'll do that.

all this endless harping about what has been done has done nothing to tell me what will be done. apparently no one really knows.

Originally Posted by Danzig

This is a thread to convince all us non believers- so let's hear all the good that Obama will do

that was geekers question. so, no, you didn't answer as apparently you have yet to convince a non-believer.

edit~personally, i was hoping for some good, worthwhile answers. i'm still undecided.

Ok.
I will try.

1. He will bring in the best advisors he possilby can. Obama has proclaimed he will not put "friends" in high places, just the best people he can find, including Republicans.

2. He is a natural leader. I believe he really believes he can make a difference. I dont believe this is just an ego trip. The job is way too tough for that. The guy has shown a penchant most for turning down bucks and actually trying to aid in public service. I really think he wants to be a public servant.

3. He is the most likely Democrat to bridge the difference between the parties. I dont think Hillary (given her hubby and the past) could be as effective at trying to make things better in this realm. The Republicans have had 8 years. It may have been very bad timing, but in this time things have not gone well. And yes change, just for the sake of change, can be good. I thought this was part of the idea of having term limits.

4. Obama has a history of being very pragmatic. If a consensus and logic convinces him that deep tax hikes on large companies would not be good, he will not do it. His history indicates he tries very hard to seek a consensus and does not really rely on his gut instincts to do things. He apparently is a very good listener. And he wants a variety of opinions, imo. I do not think he is bullheaded and inflexible.

As far as the real issues.
1. Obama will not be able to fix Health care. No one will in 4 years.
2. He will probably continue the same sort of policy as Bush in Iraq with the exception of trying to move more troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan with rapidity. He will be told he cannot just pull out of Iraq. He knows this.
3. The economy I dont believe can really be turned by any single President quickly. So what McCain proposes v. what Obama proposes will not make a huge difference in the short run.

And here is what I believe to be the sad part: If he was actually beaten by McCain at this point (ie being significantly ahead; no modern day president has lost with this much of a lead in the polls), it would be interpreted by many to be America just could not handle a black guy being president. Look how many lied to the pollsters. Right or wrong, it would create a great deal of suspicion.

The goal of both candidates right now is to get elected. What they present to the masses will not dictate what they will actually be required to do when if office. Obama will piss off a good number of liberal Democrats just like McCain would have with Republicans.

Way too much crapola.
Sorry Morty and Pants if ... nah they wont read it thru
as most will not.
I dont blame em.

When she visits be sure to grind her body parts up and feed them to sumwonlovesu.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

When she visits be sure to grind her body parts up and feed them to sumwonlovesu.

Thebby has turned her into a vegan but Hank will eat anything

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

When she visits be sure to grind her body parts up and feed them to sumwonlovesu.

LOL

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ok.
I will try.

1. He will bring in the best advisors he possilby can. Obama has proclaimed he will not put "friends" in high places, just the best people he can find, including Republicans.

2. He is a natural leader. I believe he really believes he can make a difference. I dont believe this is just an ego trip. The job is way too tough for that. The guy has shown a penchant most for turning down bucks and actually trying to aid in public service. I really think he wants to be a public servant.

3. He is the most likely Democrat to bridge the difference between the parties. I dont think Hillary (given her hubby and the past) could be as effective at trying to make things better in this realm. The Republicans have had 8 years. It may have been very bad timing, but in this time things have not gone well. And yes change, just for the sake of change, can be good. I thought this was part of the idea of having term limits.

4. Obama has a history of being very pragmatic. If a consensus and logic convinces him that deep tax hikes on large companies would not be good, he will not do it. His history indicates he tries very hard to seek a consensus and does not really rely on his gut instincts to do things. He apparently is a very good listener. And he wants a variety of opinions, imo. I do not think he is bullheaded and inflexible.

As far as the real issues.
1. Obama will not be able to fix Health care. No one will in 4 years.
2. He will probably continue the same sort of policy as Bush in Iraq with the exception of trying to move more troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan with rapidity. He will be told he cannot just pull out of Iraq. He knows this.
3. The economy I dont believe can really be turned by any single President quickly. So what McCain proposes v. what Obama proposes will not make a huge difference in the short run.

And here is what I believe to be the sad part: If he was actually beaten by McCain at this point (ie being significantly ahead; no modern day president has lost with this much of a lead in the polls), it would be interpreted by many to be America just could not handle a black guy being president. Look how many lied to the pollsters. Right or wrong, it would create a great deal of suspicion.

The goal of both candidates right now is to get elected. What they present to the masses will not dictate what they will actually be required to do when if office. Obama will piss off a good number of liberal Democrats just like McCain would have with Republicans.

Way too much crapola.
Sorry Morty and Pants if ... nah they wont read it thru
as most will not.
I dont blame em.

Thanks pgardn ... that was a good post

Originally Posted by geeker2

Thanks pgardn ... that was a good post

You are welcome.

It is poorly written. As is my way.
But this is basically what I believe to be true.

I really think both men are pragmatic and much
better choices than most people give them credit for.
I also have a bad habit as somewhat of an optimist
which is easily ridiculed with cynicism.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Ok.
I will try.

1. He will bring in the best advisors he possilby can. Obama has proclaimed he will not put "friends" in high places, just the best people he can find, including Republicans.

2. He is a natural leader. I believe he really believes he can make a difference. I dont believe this is just an ego trip. The job is way too tough for that. The guy has shown a penchant most for turning down bucks and actually trying to aid in public service. I really think he wants to be a public servant.

3. He is the most likely Democrat to bridge the difference between the parties. I dont think Hillary (given her hubby and the past) could be as effective at trying to make things better in this realm. The Republicans have had 8 years. It may have been very bad timing, but in this time things have not gone well. And yes change, just for the sake of change, can be good. I thought this was part of the idea of having term limits.

4. Obama has a history of being very pragmatic. If a consensus and logic convinces him that deep tax hikes on large companies would not be good, he will not do it. His history indicates he tries very hard to seek a consensus and does not really rely on his gut instincts to do things. He apparently is a very good listener. And he wants a variety of opinions, imo. I do not think he is bullheaded and inflexible.

As far as the real issues.
1. Obama will not be able to fix Health care. No one will in 4 years.
2. He will probably continue the same sort of policy as Bush in Iraq with the exception of trying to move more troops out of Iraq and into Afghanistan with rapidity. He will be told he cannot just pull out of Iraq. He knows this.
3. The economy I dont believe can really be turned by any single President quickly. So what McCain proposes v. what Obama proposes will not make a huge difference in the short run.

And here is what I believe to be the sad part: If he was actually beaten by McCain at this point (ie being significantly ahead; no modern day president has lost with this much of a lead in the polls), it would be interpreted by many to be America just could not handle a black guy being president. Look how many lied to the pollsters. Right or wrong, it would create a great deal of suspicion.

The goal of both candidates right now is to get elected. What they present to the masses will not dictate what they will actually be required to do when if office. Obama will piss off a good number of liberal Democrats just like McCain would have with Republicans.

Way too much crapola.
Sorry Morty and Pants if ... nah they wont read it thru
as most will not.
I dont blame em.

i agree with most of this except the part where i don't get credit for thinking it through that clearly.