Obama - good for Americans

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Where exactly DO you get objective perspective? Dont even start with university publications or one of these wiki sites.

If you want to debate economic theory, you have to make a point and then back them up with facts not links to opinions. We are talking numbers here...it shouldnt be too difficult.

Partisan links are unnecessary. Wouldnt you agree?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If you want to debate economic theory, you have to make a point and then back them up with facts not links to opinions. We are talking numbers here...it shouldnt be too difficult.

Partisan links are unnecessary. Wouldnt you agree?

I dont believe that every supposedly partisan site has totally useless information or opinion. Facts are hard to come by without seemingly partisan sites nowdays. I would post from the WSJ but i know it would send you into a tizzy. Is the Sporting News considered liberal or conservative? Espn is certainly liberal. Maybe you could give me an approved list ?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont believe that every supposedly partisan site has totally useless information or opinion. Facts are hard to come by without seemingly partisan sites nowdays. I would post from the WSJ but i know it would send you into a tizzy. Is the Sporting News considered liberal or conservative? Espn is certainly liberal. Maybe you could give me an approved list ?

Stats are available all over the net. Seeing that you extensive knowledge on internet searches, you should be able to find all that you need.

Why is that difficult?

[Danzig]

geeker asked a simple question (seemingly) nine pages ago, and hasn't got an answer yet.
seems it's far easier to proclaim what the problems are, rather than the solutions offered.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

geeker asked a simple question (seemingly) nine pages ago, and hasn't got an answer yet.
seems it's far easier to proclaim what the problems are, rather than the solutions offered.

I answered it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I answered it.

those three points you made? that's what he'll do? well, whoopie. i don't care how good a speaker is-actions speak louder than any words; he can't lower taxes unless congress sends him a bill to lower taxes, and the war will end whether he gets in there or not.
and the middle class might be happy with a tax break, but when the businesses they work for leave on the same track as those who have gone before, to cheaper labor south of the border for instance, it won't do those folks much good. raising corporate taxes is not a way to grow the economy, to create jobs...it will however temporarily raise the amount of spending that obama has promised. the 'evil' businesses we all either work for or operate pay a lot already-much of their employees health care, they equal the amount taken out in social security benefits, pay workers comp and unemployment insurance, etc. and now a tax increase on the people who pay all our wages. you really think the owners, stockholders, top execs are going to take a hit to pay for that loss? hell no. that will trickle down to the workers as well. two things happen when a business sees less on the bottom line. what can we cut, what prices can we raise? it's never, gee, i guess i'll take a hit on my income so my workers still get their due.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

those three points you made? that's what he'll do? well, whoopie. i don't care how good a speaker is-actions speak louder than any words; he can't lower taxes unless congress sends him a bill to lower taxes, and the war will end whether he gets in there or not.
and the middle class might be happy with a tax break, but when the businesses they work for leave on the same track as those who have gone before, to cheaper labor south of the border for instance, it won't do those folks much good. raising corporate taxes is not a way to grow the economy, to create jobs...it will however temporarily raise the amount of spending that obama has promised. the 'evil' businesses we all either work for or operate pay a lot already-much of their employees health care, they equal the amount taken out in social security benefits, pay workers comp and unemployment insurance, etc. and now a tax increase on the people who pay all our wages. you really think the owners, stockholders, top execs are going to take a hit to pay for that loss? hell no. that will trickle down to the workers as well. two things happen when a business sees less on the bottom line. what can we cut, what prices can we raise? it's never, gee, i guess i'll take a hit on my income so my workers still get their due.

You said "no one answered geeker's question" which i told you was incorrect because i did in fact answer it. Now, if i didnt answer how you wanted me to, thats just too bad.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

those three points you made? that's what he'll do? well, whoopie. i don't care how good a speaker is-actions speak louder than any words; he can't lower taxes unless congress sends him a bill to lower taxes, and the war will end whether he gets in there or not.
and the middle class might be happy with a tax break, but when the businesses they work for leave on the same track as those who have gone before, to cheaper labor south of the border for instance, it won't do those folks much good. raising corporate taxes is not a way to grow the economy, to create jobs...it will however temporarily raise the amount of spending that obama has promised. the 'evil' businesses we all either work for or operate pay a lot already-much of their employees health care, they equal the amount taken out in social security benefits, pay workers comp and unemployment insurance, etc. and now a tax increase on the people who pay all our wages. you really think the owners, stockholders, top execs are going to take a hit to pay for that loss? hell no. that will trickle down to the workers as well. two things happen when a business sees less on the bottom line. what can we cut, what prices can we raise? it's never, gee, i guess i'll take a hit on my income so my workers still get their due.

Zig for Prez!

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Danzig

those three points you made? that's what he'll do? well, whoopie. i don't care how good a speaker is-actions speak louder than any words; he can't lower taxes unless congress sends him a bill to lower taxes, and the war will end whether he gets in there or not.
and the middle class might be happy with a tax break, but when the businesses they work for leave on the same track as those who have gone before, to cheaper labor south of the border for instance, it won't do those folks much good. raising corporate taxes is not a way to grow the economy, to create jobs...it will however temporarily raise the amount of spending that obama has promised. the 'evil' businesses we all either work for or operate pay a lot already-much of their employees health care, they equal the amount taken out in social security benefits, pay workers comp and unemployment insurance, etc. and now a tax increase on the people who pay all our wages. you really think the owners, stockholders, top execs are going to take a hit to pay for that loss? hell no. that will trickle down to the workers as well. two things happen when a business sees less on the bottom line. what can we cut, what prices can we raise? it's never, gee, i guess i'll take a hit on my income so my workers still get their due.

You are such a Republican(just accept it.) This masquerading is embarassing to watch. "I love guns, hunting, and big business. However, I am not a Republican. I'm Independent." Why are you so against just accepting you are a Republican? It's amazing the lengths people will go to try to make themselves stick out from the crowd. Everything I have ever seen you write about economics has been in support of having just 2 classes of people.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

geeker asked a simple question (seemingly) nine pages ago, and hasn't got an answer yet.
seems it's far easier to proclaim what the problems are, rather than the solutions offered.

Bush sucks, change, greedy Corporations, evil rich people...oops sorry geeker, please punish me now...

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122393387064230201.html

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Bush sucks, change, greedy Corporations, evil rich people...oops sorry geeker, please punish me now...

I think you summed it up nicely

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by geeker2

I think you summed it up nicely

And your reply right there shows how disingenuous this whole topic was and that is why I really felt it didnt deserve an answer. Thanks for showing your hand.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Stats are available all over the net. Seeing that you extensive knowledge on internet searches, you should be able to find all that you need.

Why is that difficult?

Just give me the the approved list please...

[Danzig]

isn't there a football game on?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

isn't there a football game on?

Morty is watching...

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Morty is watching...

No he isn't.




Ratty-O.

[Mortimer]

By the way--the initial emotional edge seems to have run out.





The second have could get rated CP.

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

If you want to debate economic theory, you have to make a point and then back them up with facts not links to opinions. We are talking numbers here...it shouldnt be too difficult.

Partisan links are unnecessary. Wouldnt you agree?

See....You should have sent him a picture of your (_!_)