Workout injury ends Big Brown Cup hopes, career..

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

for some reason I knew, once Curlin's crew decided to go to the BC.. that we wouldnt be seeing Big Brown there.

To be honest Lori, this is ridiculous.

First, Team Curlin has not decided to run in the Classic.. And according to Brad Free and other California sources, are leaning against running. The workout today will tell a lot.

Second, it was Big Brown's plan to run in the Classic since August. Why should he and his connections be insulted when they were always going to the Cup?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

To be honest Lori, this is ridiculous.

First, Team Curlin has not decided to run in the Classic.. And according to Brad Free and other California sources, are leaning against running. The workout today will tell a lot.

Second, it was Big Brown's plan to run in the Classic since August. Why should he and his connections be insulted when they were always going to the Cup?

His connections insult humanity

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by freddymo

His connections insult humanity

Not germane in this discussion.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not germane in this discussion.

I thought Iavarone was of Italian disent not German.. And although I agree the horse is obviously hurt cutting IEAH any slack is never a good protocol, Scav theory is a bit difficult to buy

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

I thought Iavarone was of Italian disent not German.. And although I agree the horse is obviously hurt cutting IEAH any slack is never a good protocol, Scav theory is a bit difficult to buy

Most of mine are, I was just trying to get the natives restless

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Not germane in this discussion.

Steve, I understand what you are saying, and I also understand there is a 'line' here, but come on, given the connections lack of a spine and the greasyness about them, one has to wonder.

These guys have constantly tried to one up and love the spotlight, who doesn't, but I would be surprised if more then 10% of the racing public likes Iavorane, and there might be ONE Dutrow fan out there.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Scav

Steve, I understand what you are saying, and I also understand there is a 'line' here, but come on, given the connections lack of a spine and the greasyness about them, one has to wonder.

These guys have constantly tried to one up and love the spotlight, who doesn't, but I would be surprised if more then 10% of the racing public likes Iavorane, and there might be ONE Dutrow fan out there.

steve has to be PC because he feels the public needs to have access to IEAH thru his show. Steve is objective and subjectively omits his real thoughts to protect the show. Honestly he is in a tough spot

[Scav]

Originally Posted by freddymo

steve has to be PC because he feels the public needs to have access to IEAH thru his show. Steve is objective and subjectively omits his real thoughts to protect the show. Honestly he is in a tough spot

I know....I wasn't trying to mess with Steve, just the others

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by freddymo

His connections insult humanity

What does that have to do with it? I agree with you, but it has nothing to do with an injury to the animal. It's lousy for the sport in general that the possible Curlin-Big Brown match up will not happen. I know Curlin was only a maybe, with the workout today, but now it's possible neither will be there, which is unfortunate.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

What does that have to do with it? I agree with you, but it has nothing to do with an injury to the animal. It's lousy for the sport in general that the possible Curlin-Big Brown match up will not happen. I know Curlin was only a maybe, with the workout today, but now it's possible neither will be there, which is unfortunate.

Where you really hot in the panties to see Big Brown vs. Curlin... The last thing the sport needed to see was these two over hyped OK horses further hyped and some Student Council type rag upset them both on Pro Ride.. Geez you make it seem like it was a fascinating match race.. What did you think it was Easy goer Sunday Silience? It was bearly Pleasant Home vs. that Jerkins filly?lol

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Where you really hot in the panties to see Big Brown vs. Curlin... The last thing the sport needed to see was these two over hyped OK horses further hyped and some Student Council type rag upset them both on Pro Ride.. Geez you make it seem like it was a fascinating match race.. What did you think it was Easy goer Sunday Silience? It was bearly Pleasant Home vs. that Jerkins filly?lol

It would have been good for the sport. You would think that they would have advertised the hell out of it and try to draw in as many of the "casual fans" that only watch the TC races. Overrated or not, they would have had a matchup to sell.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

It would have been good for the sport. You would think that they would have advertised the hell out of it and try to draw in as many of the "casual fans" that only watch the TC races. Overrated or not, they would have had a matchup to sell.

casual fans please... I couldn't give Big Brown tees and merch away... Smarty stuff flew off the retailers shelves. Nobody cared about Big Turd or his ridiculous connections, as for Curlin he is a nice grade one horse who thankfully hung around for a 4 year old campaign, He is hardly a super horse he is hardly a super fast horse. Clearly Curlin is racing against swill and 4 mil of his bloated earning is from a race which he beat 12 horses from Uraguay South African and Turkey.. i have nothing against Curlin he is certainly a very good horse but can we save the real excitement for a real event not some manufactured BS race?

I think the Xtra heat filly winning her maiden with a 103 beyer is more exciting then watching Big Turd get crushed by some Mitchel 80 claimer on juice BC day..lol

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by freddymo

casual fans please... I couldn't give Big Brown tees and merch away... Smarty stuff flew off the retailers shelves. Nobody cared about Big Turd or his ridiculous connections, as for Curlin he is a nice grade one horse who thankfully hung around for a 4 year old campaign, He is hardly a super horse he is hardly a super fast horse. Clearly Curlin is racing against swill and 4 mil of his bloated earning is from a race which he beat 12 horses from Uraguay South African and Turkey.. i have nothing against Curlin he is certainly a very good horse but can we save the real excitement for a real event not some manufactured BS race?

I think the Xtra heat filly winning her maiden with a 103 beyer is more exciting then watching Big Turd get crushed by some Mitchel 80 claimer on juice BC day..lol

The only "turd" references that should be made are to your comments. Nobody cared about Big Brown? How about the incremental audience he brought to the tracks/television/press? How about UPS? Yeah nobody cared.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by freddymo

casual fans please... I couldn't give Big Brown tees and merch away... Smarty stuff flew off the retailers shelves. Nobody cared about Big Turd or his ridiculous connections, as for Curlin he is a nice grade one horse who thankfully hung around for a 4 year old campaign, He is hardly a super horse he is hardly a super fast horse. Clearly Curlin is racing against swill and 4 mil of his bloated earning is from a race which he beat 12 horses from Uraguay South African and Turkey.. i have nothing against Curlin he is certainly a very good horse but can we save the real excitement for a real event not some manufactured BS race.

So if you didn't like him or the connections, you tuned in to see Curlin or someone else blow the doors off BB. We always talk around here about the good of the sport and getting more people interested in racing. Don't you think that a classic with BB and Curlin would have generated some more interest in the BC and horse racing in general? Granted that they might not be superhorses, but last time I checked there aren't too many of those out there.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by freddymo

His connections insult humanity

I wish some of you from the beginning who never gave this horse the credit he deserves (because of your dislike for the connections) would start a Big Brown connections thread and spew your insults there. He had a lot of great accomplishments this year and somehow that seems to get lost. Kind of unfair for the horse.

Regardless of how terrible some thought his competition was, how slow, bad beyers, could never beat this one or that one, etc., etc., no other race horse had a better year in 2008. That is a fact.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I wish some of you from the beginning who never gave this horse the credit he deserves (because of your dislike for the connections) would start a Big Brown connections thread and spew your insults there. He had a lot of great accomplishments this year and somehow that seems to get lost. Kind of unfair for the horse.

Regardless of how terrible some thought his competition was, how slow, bad beyers, could never beat this one or that one, etc., etc., no other race horse had a better year in 2008. That is a fact.

I will take Zarkava and the points

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

I wish some of you from the beginning who never gave this horse the credit he deserves (because of your dislike for the connections) would start a Big Brown connections thread and spew your insults there. He had a lot of great accomplishments this year and somehow that seems to get lost. Kind of unfair for the horse.

Regardless of how terrible some thought his competition was, how slow, bad beyers, could never beat this one or that one, etc., etc., no other race horse had a better year in 2008. That is a fact.

No it's not, it's an opinion.

I'd say Zarkava certainly had a better year than him, but if you're just talking about North American horses, Curlin and Zenyatta both have had comparable, if not better years, and there's more for them to do still.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

No it's not, it's an opinion.

I'd say Zarkava certainly had a better year than him, but if you're just talking about North American horses, Curlin and Zenyatta both have had comparable, if not better years, and there's more for them to do still.

Like you said, it's an opinion.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Regardless of how terrible some thought his competition was, how slow, bad beyers, could never beat this one or that one, etc., etc., no other race horse had a better year in 2008. That is a fact.

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Like you said, it's an opinion.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Saying what you said is an opinion. I will correct myself if you can reply that another horse had more Grade 1 wins this year?