Top 5 BC performances ever

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

the 20.80 opening quarter wasn't quite fast enough to setup her close.

I would have thought a professional such as yourself would know to take the 1st quarter time in 6 furlong races at CD with a grain of salt...and that same pace set up favored a stalker such as KG much more than Honest Lady who was fanned to the outside fence. You know that 10 wide move works all the time at CD in sprints, she certainly didnt have more than few lengths of trouble and lost by...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Even though CD opening quarters come back much faster at 6fs because of the run-up - that pace set by Caller One was still wicked - and I refuse to believe that you believe KG did not run a better race than Honest Lady.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I would have thought a professional such as yourself would know to take the 1st quarter time in 6 furlong races at CD with a grain of salt...and that same pace set up favored a stalker such as KG much more than Honest Lady who was fanned to the outside fence. You know that 10 wide move works all the time at CD in sprints, she certainly didnt have more than few lengths of trouble and lost by...

By the way - this post here is nothing more than a product of NBC's horrible coverage of the 2000 Breeders Cup - which featured some insane camera angles.

I have the actual simulcast feed video of all the 2000 BC races - a teller/better friend who worked at a local OTB would tape them for me.

I remembered Kona Gold being wider than Honest Lady - and in fact she clearly was.

Thoro-Graph only had Kona Gold 1 path wider than HL in the '00 Sprint - but it was closer to two paths than even.

The NBC feed of the race is bonkers - and you don't even see HL until inside the 1/8th pole when she was wide and flying.

Kona Gold was under a drive throughout that race and had to work very hard to hold position - he was also up much closer to the pace than Honest Lady was. Maybe Honest Lady had a bit of a tougher trip than 3rd place finisher Bet On Sunshine ... but those two were the two who got the best pace setup and had the nicest trips.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

By the way - this post here is nothing more than a product of NBC's horrible coverage of the 2000 Breeders Cup - which featured some insane camera angles.

I have the actual simulcast feed video of all the 2000 BC races - a teller/better friend who worked at a local OTB would tape them for me.

I remembered Kona Gold being wider than Honest Lady - and in fact she clearly was.

Thoro-Graph only had Kona Gold 1 path wider than HL in the '00 Sprint - but it was closer to two paths than even.

The NBC feed of the race is bonkers - and you don't even see HL until inside the 1/8th pole when she was wide and flying.

Kona Gold was under a drive throughout that race and had to work very hard to hold position - he was also up much closer to the pace than Honest Lady was. Maybe Honest Lady had a bit of a tougher trip than 3rd place finisher Bet On Sunshine ... but those two were the two who got the best pace setup and had the nicest trips.

I watched the race in person, not on tv. Honest lady was not only wide she was behind horses going nowhere which is why she was fanned so wide coming into the stretch. The pace setter caller One was not beaten very far.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Caller One was an AWESOME sprinter - and was almost joint favorite with Kona Gold.

If you want to argue that Honest Lady had a slightly worse trip than fellow deep closing longshot 3rd place finisher Bet On Sunshine ... ok.

However, that was some performance by Kona Gold and he was clearly much the best.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Caller One was an AWESOME sprinter - and was almost joint favorite with Kona Gold.

If you want to argue that Honest Lady had a slightly worse trip than fellow deep closing longshot 3rd place finisher Bet On Sunshine ... ok.

However, that was some performance by Kona Gold and he was clearly much the best.

Clearly much the best? On what basis? if the race was 6 furlongs and 15 feet he was beat. There was no bigger Caller One fan than me but you stated how the pace meltdown helped the deep closers yet the pace didnt really meltdown. Kona Gold tripped out in that race and you want to say he had a tougher trip than a horse who broke from post 13, was caught behind dead horses for a quarter mile, was fanned 10 wide coming into the stretch, losing all momentum and held her off by half a length.

[Cannon Shell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5UUpFHDP4I

Where exactly does Kona Golds trip be considered tough?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

He was under a ride the whole way up on a hot pace and had to work to not get shuffled.

You are getting real silly with this HL was 10 wide stuff - you are reminding me of the old CD chart caller. Try 2 wide on the turn - and than she fanned out around horses tiring because of the pace.

But the comment that the hot pace favored KG more so than HL and Bet On Sunshine is just bananas.