LM and Preachin' in the Classic

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

In California, we can't give bute on race day. We have the same rule as New York.

Then why the heck is there a big giant B for Bute next to the weight in every California race on his record? Why would they make that distinction if the rules were the same?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/lavaman.pdf

It is hard to get past the fact that the three races he was beaten by the most lengths in his entire career were also the three races he didn't have Bute.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Then why the heck is there a big giant B for Bute next to the weight in every California race on his record? Why would they make that distinction if the rules were the same?

http://www.drf.com/row/pps/lavaman.pdf

It is hard to get past the fact that the three races he was beaten by the most lengths in his entire career were also the three races he didn't have Bute.

The rules are the same in both states. In both states, bute is permissable if given the day before the race.

I don't care what the Racing Form says. They simply have a different way of denoting it in the Form for New York. In New York, I guess they consider that as long as bute is given the day before, that they should denote that the horse got no bute. In California, they consider a horse who got bute the day before to be on bute. The California method of denotation is the correct denotation in my opinion because bute is given in a shot and does not wear off for a couple of days. So a horse that is given bute the day before the race is on bute. We've had this conversation on this board several times. The rules are the same in New york and California. I've been in the business for over 20 years. I've run horses in both California and New York. We ran a horse in New York within the last year and he got bute the day before the race just like all our horses here in California.

If you don't believe me, call the racing office at Del Mar and call the racing office at Saratoga. They will tell you at both tracks that bute is permissable if given the day before the race.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't care what the Racing Form says. They simply have a different way of denoting it in New York. We've had this conversation on this board several times. The rules are the same in New york and California. I've been in the business for over 20 years. I've run horses in both California and New York. We ran a horse in New York within the last year and he got bute the day before the race just like all our horses here in California.

If you don't believe me, call the racing office at Del Mar and call the racing office at Saratoga. They will tell you at both tracks that bute is permissable if given the day before the race.

California

http://www.toconline.com/ownership/race-day.php

The only other kind of medication permitted in a horse´s bloodstream on race day is a small quantity of one of four "legal" anti-inflammatories - usually phenylbutazone, or "bute" - which will be indicated in The Racing Form with a capital "B" in the horse´s running lines (though all the anti-inflammatories are indicated with a "B"). Some trainers, in addition, will have the horse stand in a foreleg ice-bath for up to 90 minutes to relieve any nagging discomfort that might distract it from running its best race.

New York

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/horsedrugs.pdf

Either one, but no more than one, of the following two
non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs may be
administered by intravenous injection until 24 hours
before the scheduled post time of the race in which the
horse is scheduled to compete: flunixin, or
phenylbutazone.


New York is allowed up until 24 hours before, California is allowed in the horses system on race day.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

California

http://www.toconline.com/ownership/race-day.php

The only other kind of medication permitted in a horse´s bloodstream on race day is a small quantity of one of four "legal" anti-inflammatories - usually phenylbutazone, or "bute" - which will be indicated in The Racing Form with a capital "B" in the horse´s running lines (though all the anti-inflammatories are indicated with a "B"). Some trainers, in addition, will have the horse stand in a foreleg ice-bath for up to 90 minutes to relieve any nagging discomfort that might distract it from running its best race.

New York

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/horsedrugs.pdf

Either one, but no more than one, of the following two
non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs may be
administered by intravenous injection until 24 hours
before the scheduled post time of the race in which the
horse is scheduled to compete: flunixin, or
phenylbutazone.


New York is allowed up until 24 hours before, California is allowed in the horses system on race day.

Trust me, it's the same in both states when it comes to bute. Call the racing office if you don't believe me. In New York when they give a horse bute 24 hours before the race, it is still in their system for the race. In California, you are not allowed to give a horse any medication on race day with the exception of lasix. In California, bute has to be given the day before the race just like in New York.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

California

http://www.toconline.com/ownership/race-day.php

The only other kind of medication permitted in a horse´s bloodstream on race day is a small quantity of one of four "legal" anti-inflammatories - usually phenylbutazone, or "bute" - which will be indicated in The Racing Form with a capital "B" in the horse´s running lines (though all the anti-inflammatories are indicated with a "B"). Some trainers, in addition, will have the horse stand in a foreleg ice-bath for up to 90 minutes to relieve any nagging discomfort that might distract it from running its best race.

New York

http://www.racing.state.ny.us/horsedrugs.pdf

Either one, but no more than one, of the following two
non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs may be
administered by intravenous injection until 24 hours
before the scheduled post time of the race in which the
horse is scheduled to compete: flunixin, or
phenylbutazone.


New York is allowed up until 24 hours before, California is allowed in the horses system on race day.

You can go the CHRB website for further clarification. I will read you rule 1843.5. It states that "One of the following non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications may be administered until 24 hours before the post time of the race in which the horse is entered under Rule 1844 of this division: 1. Phenylbutazone; 2. Flunixin; 3. Ketroprefen.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You can go the CHRB website for further clarification. I will read you rule 1843.5. It states that "One of the following non-steroidal anti-inflammatory medications may be administered until 24 hours before the post time of the race in which the horse is entered under Rule 1844 of this division: 1. Phenylbutazone; 2. Flunixin; 3. Ketroprefen.

Thanks for the info, I'll have to read into it more in the morning. The main difference I can find at this point is that CA has a set limit for how much you can have in your system in a post race test while NY just specifies that you can't have it 24 hours before post time. What really baffles me is that it is denoted in past performances. There would be no reason to do that if regulations were completely the same.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Thanks for the info, I'll have to read into it more in the morning. The main difference I can find at this point is that CA has a set limit for how much you can have in your system in a post race test while NY just specifies that you can't have it 24 hours before post time. What really baffles me is that it is denoted in past performances. There would be no reason to do that if regulations were completely the same.

In New York, they definitely have a limit as to how much you can have in your system. I think it's the same amount as in California. If you look it up, you will find that they definitely have a limit there.

If you can't find it on-line anywhere, you can always call the racing office. They will let you know what the legal limits are.