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Old 10-11-2008, 01:51 PM
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Heavenly Prize was washed up?
I guess that wasn't the right wording. I didn't think Heavenly Prize was all that great to begin with.

I realize she browbeat Forcing Bid a couple of times at Belmont as a 4yo, but given the fact that the 3yo Serena's Song staved her off in the Beldame right before the BC, you could argue she was at least tailing off (or simply got exposed).
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:06 PM
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I guess that wasn't the right wording. I didn't think Heavenly Prize was all that great to begin with.

I realize she browbeat Forcing Bid a couple of times at Belmont as a 4yo, but given the fact that the 3yo Serena's Song staved her off in the Beldame right before the BC, you could argue she was at least tailing off (or simply got exposed).
I think she was one of the better fillies of the 90s.. Serena's Song stole the Beldame with a very easy uncontested lead... 48 for the half, Day waiting forever to ask her did not help either...

The worst thing to ever happen to Heavenly Prize was Pat Day...

She's better than you give her credit for...
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Old 10-11-2008, 02:31 PM
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I think she was one of the better fillies of the 90s.. Serena's Song stole the Beldame with a very easy uncontested lead... 48 for the half, Day waiting forever to ask her did not help either...

The worst thing to ever happen to Heavenly Prize was Pat Day...

She's better than you give her credit for...
Maybe. But she's more remembered for races she lost than races she won. In fact, in her principle win, the Alabama over Lakeway, she was 5-1 and considered something of a disappoint up until that point. Her subsequent victories were essentially gimme's outside the Apple Blossom, where she basically saved face by getting revenge on the OK Halo America (who lit her up in the prep race).
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Old 10-11-2008, 03:10 PM
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Maybe. But she's more remembered for races she lost than races she won. In fact, in her principle win, the Alabama over Lakeway, she was 5-1 and considered something of a disappoint up until that point. Her subsequent victories were essentially gimme's outside the Apple Blossom, where she basically saved face by getting revenge on the OK Halo America (who lit her up in the prep race).

True, she was considered disappointing up to that, but I attribute that to Shug's handling.. prior to the Alabama he had her sprinting all year..

As far as Halo America, you're dealing with a horse that loved Oaklawn and would later in her career go on to win the Apple Blossom.. Either she was a pretty decent horse in her own right or Heavenly Prize had a phobia with passing gray front runners...
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Old 10-11-2008, 05:49 PM
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I'm surprised nobody listed Answer Lively for his breathtaking win over ally's aly in the 98 juvie.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:16 PM
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I'm surprised nobody listed Answer Lively for his breathtaking win over ally's aly in the 98 juvie.
I wonder if you would have even posted that if Kiris and I weren't talking about another John Franks runner in the three previous posts.

To be fair, that race produced a champion and classic winner in Lemon Drop Kid and a classic-placed, BC Classic winner in Cat Thief.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:20 PM
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OK, I'm going to say it right here, and you'll send the rath to me....

Big Brown...if he does it will be something very special. Forget the owner/trainer.
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Old 10-11-2008, 09:11 PM
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I wonder if you would have even posted that if Kiris and I weren't talking about another John Franks runner in the three previous posts.

To be fair, that race produced a champion and classic winner in Lemon Drop Kid and a classic-placed, BC Classic winner in Cat Thief.
Nothing of the sort. I just tried to come up with the most gut wrenchingly bad bc race I could remember, and it was between the Answer Lively race and the Cat Thief beating my big BC bet that year in the classic, Budroyale.

Sincerely though, I am surprised at the lack of mention for Chief's Crown. That race was loaded.
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Old 10-11-2008, 07:26 PM
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True, she was considered disappointing up to that, but I attribute that to Shug's handling.. prior to the Alabama he had her sprinting all year..
I think she had some problems early in the year after getting upset in her comeback at GP. The Prioress-Test route seemed like a way of getting her in shape for the fall without having to get thrown into the wolves in the Triple Tiara (not to mention he already had Inside Information geared up for those). She lost both races, but she caught Lakeway on the downhill slide in the one that counted.

I guess her BC runner up effort secured her the Eclipse, but she probably should have done a bit better if she was only splitting two 50-1 shots (One Dreamer and Miss Dominique). Especially when she showed up that day and the two favorites (Hollywood Wildcat and Sky Beauty) did not.
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