How can McCain win?

[Danzig]

very good at surrounding himself with a team....
crap, sounds like bush eight years ago. that went well.


majority of the country is considered to be center left. why do we keep getting candidates and running mates who are anything but? sarah palin puts me right off, too far right. too far left isn't any better. i want a candidate who supports the entire constitution, not bits of it like the two parties do right now.
dems support your right to privacy, your right to free speech. but for gods' sake, forget that second amendment. who the hell put that in there?!

republicans support the second amendment but the patriotic act (for example) is anything but....

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Danzig

very good at surrounding himself with a team....
crap, sounds like bush eight years ago. that went well.


majority of the country is considered to be center left. why do we keep getting candidates and running mates who are anything but? sarah palin puts me right off, too far right. too far left isn't any better. i want a candidate who supports the entire constitution, not bits of it like the two parties do right now.
dems support your right to privacy, your right to free speech. but for gods' sake, forget that second amendment. who the hell put that in there?!

republicans support the second amendment but the patriotic act (for example) is anything but....

Well said. I totally remember the same thing being fed to me back in 2000 about the "team" that was going to be around. The team is obviously important but the judgement of the chief is certainly key.

Party lines on each side are too twisted. The perfect guy would never make it out of his/her respective primary...unless he fibbed on his position on a number of issues.

[Danzig]

it just kills me that they spout that a candidate has to appeal to his 'base'. in mccains case, the base is his ultra right religious zealots. you know, the kind of folks who think someone should lay hands on the governor of alaska to protect her from witches spells(and yeah, that really happened). jeez louise.
but why do they have to appeal to them? if mccain had chosen a normal person for example...what, the far rights would be so pissed they'd vote for obama?! yeah, RIGHT!!
much of the reason that congress went from majority R to majority D is that many ran on a ticket of reform, as being centrists. that drew a lot of votes. problem is, then you get to d.c. and the corruption inhales these newbies and spits them out as party pols.
term limits should be instituted in congress. it's in the executive, as well as in many state govts. it should be there as well, so that these folks won't be able to grow their offices, their lobbying groups, etc like they do. they don't become entrenched, and corrupted if they aren't there long enough to get to that point. how many staff members does a freshman senator have? i read once that ted kennedy had over 500 on his staff.
you think ted's paying for that?

[Mike]

From Dalakhani:
The perfect guy would never make it out of his/her respective primary...unless he fibbed on his position on a number of issues.
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Absolutely agree.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it just kills me that they spout that a candidate has to appeal to his 'base'. in mccains case, the base is his ultra right religious zealots. you know, the kind of folks who think someone should lay hands on the governor of alaska to protect her from witches spells(and yeah, that really happened). jeez louise.
but why do they have to appeal to them? if mccain had chosen a normal person for example...what, the far rights would be so pissed they'd vote for obama?! yeah, RIGHT!!
much of the reason that congress went from majority R to majority D is that many ran on a ticket of reform, as being centrists. that drew a lot of votes. problem is, then you get to d.c. and the corruption inhales these newbies and spits them out as party pols.
term limits should be instituted in congress. it's in the executive, as well as in many state govts. it should be there as well, so that these folks won't be able to grow their offices, their lobbying groups, etc like they do. they don't become entrenched, and corrupted if they aren't there long enough to get to that point. how many staff members does a freshman senator have? i read once that ted kennedy had over 500 on his staff.
you think ted's paying for that?

While I agree that it's ridiculous that McCain was required to appeal to the lunatic fringe of his party, the fear wasn't that they'd vote for Obama, but that they wouldn't vote at all.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

While I agree that it's ridiculous that McCain was required to appeal to the lunatic fringe of his party, the fear wasn't that they'd vote for Obama, but that they wouldn't vote at all.

i just have a hard time believing that they wouldn't vote. no way many in that mindset would want to take the risk of a dem, and a liberal dem at that, winning the election.

[Mike]

Danzig, there's a huge difference between Obama's ability to pick an intelligent team, and G. W. Bush's

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Mike

Danzig, there's a huge difference between Obama's ability to pick an intelligent team, and G. W. Bush's

I dont know Mike. Remember the respective resumes of Bush's original cabinet. It was a "who's who". Colin Powell, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condi Rice were all extremely experienced and highly regarded...before the last eight years.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mike

Danzig, there's a huge difference between Obama's ability to pick an intelligent team, and G. W. Bush's

and how do you know that? the guy talks up a storm about change in d.c.
and then he picks one of the most senior senators in that city to be his running mate.
now, biden is no sarah palin.....but he certainly is closer to the 'more of the same' camp, then an agent of change.