FINALLY: a good match up-- the Virginia Derby

blackthroatedwind · #1 10-04-2008, 06:12 PM

This is embarrassing stuff even for the internet. Court Vision won a match race today. Good for him and if you were smart enough to see the value in the exacta pool then you got 6:1 on him. Other than that, why someone would bring up a thread from months ago, and use it for today's race, when Stevie Wonder could have seen that he was only one of two contenders, is beyond me.

There are a lot of great things about this game, and one is that it is constantly evolving, and when we are wrong we often get chances to revise our thinking, and a negative opinion one day can become a successful positive opinion on another. For instance, IEAH paid $5 million for half of Court Vision. They recouped $150K of that today. Good for them....and I wish them the best of luck in the Hollywood Derby, where they can hopefully get another $300K back. Nobody that said he would never be a good dirt horse was wrong today. Why someone would even suggest that is mystifying.

eajinabi · #2 10-04-2008, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is embarrassing stuff even for the internet. Court Vision won a match race today. Good for him and if you were smart enough to see the value in the exacta pool then you got 6:1 on him. Other than that, why someone would bring up a thread from months ago, and use it for today's race, when Stevie Wonder could have seen that he was only one of two contenders, is beyond me.

There are a lot of great things about this game, and one is that it is constantly evolving, and when we are wrong we often get chances to revise our thinking, and a negative opinion one day can become a successful positive opinion on another. For instance, IEAH paid $5 million for half of Court Vision. They recouped $150K of that today. Good for them....and I wish them the best of luck in the Hollywood Derby, where they can hopefully get another $300K back. Nobody that said he would never be a good dirt horse was wrong today. Why someone would even suggest that is mystifying.

According to some people on this board, he is slow and shitty. He was a contender today and won but who cares if he was 5-2 or 50-1. Stevie Wonder and I agree he was one of two to win that race so its not worth toutuing the obvious before the race.

Some of these people still say he is good on turf BUT he is still shitty. It doesnt make sense

blackthroatedwind · #3 10-04-2008, 06:38 PM

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According to some people on this board, he is slow and shitty. He was a contender today and won but who cares if he was 5-2 or 50-1. Stevie Wonder and I agree he was one of two to win that race so its not worth toutuing the obvious before the race.

Some of these people still say he is good on turf BUT he is still shitty. It doesnt make sense

It's all relative. If you paid $5 Million for half of him would you say today's performance justified your purchase?

People are wrong here, and in horse racing, much more often than they are right. Does that mean they should constantly be called out for it? What are your great positive contributions to this board that makes it OK for you to have started this mess today? Should others dog every post you make that turns out to be a mediocre opinion? Would that be fair?

GPK · #4 10-04-2008, 06:39 PM

Oh My God

blackthroatedwind · #5 10-04-2008, 06:42 PM

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Oh My God

I think it's " Holy Mother of God. "

paisjpq · #6 10-04-2008, 06:49 PM

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I think it's " Holy Mother of God. "

what he said

GPK · #7 10-04-2008, 06:50 PM

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I think it's " Holy Mother of God. "

yeah...at least that.

A f*cking show bet...

eajinabi · #8 10-04-2008, 06:56 PM

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yeah...at least that.

A f*cking show bet...

$600 profit on that bet is good enough for me. I am sorry if it isnt to your standards.

the_fat_man · #9 10-04-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is embarrassing stuff even for the internet. Court Vision won a match race today. Good for him and if you were smart enough to see the value in the exacta pool then you got 6:1 on him. Other than that, why someone would bring up a thread from months ago, and use it for today's race, when Stevie Wonder could have seen that he was only one of two contenders, is beyond me.

I think narrowing the race down to 2 horses was obvious. Taking the next step to a one number exacta, for the 6:1 payout, wasn't, IMO. GP was coming out of a race where he ran 60+ feet MORE than the winner and lost by 1/2 length. So, for some, hitting this required a BOX. And given it was paying $8 the other way, it didn't quite make sense to get involved. As it was, my criticism of Gomez' ride on GP proved to be somewhat ironic, as, he was guided through an even worse trip today by Garcia. The difference in ability between these two horses is not large enough to allow for poor trips.

As for the idiot going on and on about a 5:2 shot AFTER the fact: what else is there to say?

blackthroatedwind · #10 10-04-2008, 06:41 PM

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I think narrowing the race down to 2 horses was obvious. Taking the next step to a one number exacta, for the 6:1 payout, wasn't, IMO. GP was coming out of a race where he ran 60+ feet MORE than the winner and lost by 1/2 length. So, for some, hitting this required a BOX. And given it was paying $8 the other way, it didn't quite make sense to get involved. As it was, my criticism of Gomez' ride on GP proved to be somewhat ironic, as, he was guided through an even worse trip today by Garcia. The difference in ability between these two horses is not large enough to allow for poor trips.

As for the idiot going on and on about a 5:2 shot AFTER the fact: what else is there to say?

Gio Ponti was best last time....against terrible horses. Considering the margin in Virginia, the odds were ridiculous, and I said as much on TV today.

I made a token bet on the race because it was the right thing to do considering the exacta prices. I bet 3 times as much on the winning number figuring the worst I rated to do was break even. It hardly covered the rest of my day....though if I played the 3rd a little more cleverly it would have been a great day.

the_fat_man · #11 10-04-2008, 07:00 PM

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Gio Ponti was best last time....against terrible horses. Considering the margin in Virginia, the odds were ridiculous, and I said as much on TV today.

I made a token bet on the race because it was the right thing to do considering the exacta prices. I bet 3 times as much on the winning number figuring the worst I rated to do was break even. It hardly covered the rest of my day....though if I played the 3rd a little more cleverly it would have been a great day.

GP was best again today. CV got a better trip and won (as is often the case in this ****in game). CV is better than the horses GP faced last out and, to his credit, he was able to hold off GP. If the trips are reversed, however, he gets trounced. I can see taking a shot when the odds are right but not for $8 and $14 numbers. By your comments, I get the sense that you feel GP and CV are evenly matched.

blackthroatedwind · #12 10-04-2008, 07:03 PM

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GP was best again today. CV got a better trip and won (as is often the case in this ****in game). CV is better than the horses GP faced last out and, to his credit, he was able to hold off GP. If the trips are reversed, however, he gets trounced. I can see taking a shot when the odds are right but not for $8 and $14 numbers. By your comments, I get the sense that you feel GP and CV are evenly matched.

I agree with all your thoughts on the race. I did not think they were evenly matched but I did think the margin was considerably closer than the odds.

I like Gio Ponti, but even with his trip at Del Mar, I was less than thrilled with his performance. I also thought Court Vision might have more upside. But, I surely thought Gio Ponti was a more likely winner, and think so even more after the race.

freddymo · #13 10-04-2008, 07:08 PM

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I agree with all your thoughts on the race. I did not think they were evenly matched but I did think the margin was considerably closer than the odds.

I like Gio Ponti, but even with his trip at Del Mar, I was less than thrilled with his performance. I also thought Court Vision might have more upside. But, I surely thought Gio Ponti was a more likely winner, and think so even more after the race.

Me Too

eajinabi · #14 10-04-2008, 06:43 PM

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I think narrowing the race down to 2 horses was obvious. Taking the next step to a one number exacta, for the 6:1 payout, wasn't, IMO. GP was coming out of a race where he ran 60+ feet MORE than the winner and lost by 1/2 length. So, for some, hitting this required a BOX. And given it was paying $8 the other way, it didn't quite make sense to get involved. As it was, my criticism of Gomez' ride on GP proved to be somewhat ironic, as, he was guided through an even worse trip today by Garcia. The difference in ability between these two horses is not large enough to allow for poor trips.

As for the idiot going on and on about a 5:2 shot AFTER the fact: what else is there to say?

Was there any point to say anything before the race if it was obvious?

blackthroatedwind · #15 10-04-2008, 06:44 PM

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Was there any point to say anything before the race if it was obvious?

It certainly was if you were going to carry on with your current BS after the race.

Danzig · #16 10-04-2008, 06:45 PM

yes, then you wouldn't be thought of as a red boarder after. or someone who didn't put their money where there mouth is...

eajinabi · #17 10-04-2008, 06:51 PM

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yes, then you wouldn't be thought of as a red boarder after. or someone who didn't put their money where there mouth is...

Did I say I even bet? Who wants to red board a 5-2 shot???

I only posted it to prove a point to Ateam who consistently says court vision is slow. If you care to read the whole thread then you will see his remarks prior to the Virginia Derby.

blackthroatedwind · #18 10-04-2008, 06:55 PM

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Did I say I even bet? Who wants to red board a 5-2 shot???

I only posted it to prove a point to Ateam who consistently says court vision is slow. If you care to read the whole thread then you will see his remarks prior to the Virginia Derby.

" Constantly???? "

Dude, you dug a thread up from three months ago. I suggest you get a dictionary.

eajinabi · #19 10-04-2008, 07:27 PM

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" Constantly???? "

Dude, you dug a thread up from three months ago. I suggest you get a dictionary.

you are out of arguements. Childish

Danzig · #20 10-04-2008, 08:00 PM

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Did I say I even bet? Who wants to red board a 5-2 shot???

I only posted it to prove a point to Ateam who consistently says court vision is slow. If you care to read the whole thread then you will see his remarks prior to the Virginia Derby.

i read it when it first came out. to be honest, i think the whole debate is ridiculous. your opinion is one thing, some others, another. i happen to side with the 'court vision is really nothing to write home about' crowd. why you're so determined to make him out to be otherwise, i don't know. he's benefitted from the turf move, other than that, he is what he is.
winning a race doesn't necessarily make a horse fast. just faster than the others in the race.