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Thunder Gulch · #61 10-03-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Why would you ridicule the two horses when all they do is WIN.....With your logic, thye would have a better shot at being one two if all they did was have much less impressive records than the rest?

They win on dirt, Brown has beaten bad horses on turf, but this is neither. One of those is the most likely winner by a wide margin, but both will be very short prices, and it's not a stretch to take a synthetic specialist in this spot.

RollerDoc · #62 10-03-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

They win on dirt, Brown has beaten bad horses on turf, but this is neither. One of those is the most likely winner by a wide margin, but both will be very short prices, and it's not a stretch to take a synthetic specialist in this spot.

So now he beat bad horses on turf? Leading up to that race I saw quite a few posts saying that he is finally facing competition and thought he'd get beaten. It seems to me, the more Big Brown wins, the worse he is hmmmmmmmm.

RolloTomasi · #63 10-03-2008, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with you that if they are both in the gate in the Classic, Big brown and Curlin will probably have the most credentials coming in. I say probably because at this point we don't know who is coming over from Europe. But, I agree with them that both are vulnerable considering the surface, it's the equalizer.

As the meadowlands Cup showed us tonight, some horses prefer a certain surface over others and both BB and Curlin haven't run a race over the synthetic. So, from a betting standpoint, it's tough to take too short a price on either on the win end. I would think any pick 3 or 4 would want to be covered by at least one of them though.

At least we have a hint in that both horses have shown the ability to handle the turf. I wonder if their respective sire stats suggest synthetic ability (is anyone keeping track of this yet?).

Danzig · #64 10-03-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

At least we have a hint in that both horses have shown the ability to handle the turf. I wonder if their respective sire stats suggest synthetic ability (is anyone keeping track of this yet?).

bloodhorse keeps track of it.

edit~i grabbed a fairly recent edition of bloodhorse, from sept 6. smart strike at that time was #31 on the synthetic sires list, boundary isn't listed.
as for boundary on the general sires list...if it wasn't for big brown, he wouldn't even be listed.

RollerDoc · #65 10-03-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with you that if they are both in the gate in the Classic, Big brown and Curlin will probably have the most credentials coming in. I say probably because at this point we don't know who is coming over from Europe. But, I agree with them that both are vulnerable considering the surface, it's the equalizer.

As the meadowlands Cup showed us tonight, some horses prefer a certain surface over others and both BB and Curlin haven't run a race over the synthetic. So, from a betting standpoint, it's tough to take too short a price on either on the win end. I would think any pick 3 or 4 would want to be covered by at least one of them though.

Could it be that there is another Invasor out there?

RolloTomasi · #66 10-03-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

bloodhorse keeps track of it.

Great. Thanks.

Danzig · #67 10-03-2008, 11:17 PM

yeah, they've added a list of synthetic sires by earnings. now i just wish they'd add a listing for dirt sires, as right now it's top sires, top turf, top synth, and then for first crop, 2 yo's, etc.

Danzig · #68 10-03-2008, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Great. Thanks.

not sure if you know of it, they have a stallion register that you can get to from their site, or just type in stallionregister dot com, and you can look up any active sire. they also have various sire lists for current and past years on the bloodhorse website.

blackthroatedwind · #69 10-04-2008, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I don't really get the question. Invasor was a pretty accomplished horse when he won the Classic. He just didn't have the hype of Bernardini.

Hey, did you hear there were three TC winners in the 70s?

Cajungator26 · #70 10-04-2008, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

Why would you ridicule the two horses when all they do is WIN.....With your logic, thye would have a better shot at being one two if all they did was have much less impressive records than the rest?

I respect both horses ... I just know that both horses will be short prices and there will most likely be some value elsewhere due to the surface change. JMO.