Colonel John

letswastemoney · #1 10-02-2008, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

This is very simple to answer. Look at both Big Brown and Curlin's records in 2008. Then look at the next best record after these two. You might need your binoculars to find another one worthy of picking.

It's a bit presumptuous to assume they can translate those kind of performances to synthetic.

Danzig · #2 10-03-2008, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's a bit presumptuous to assume they can translate those kind of performances to synthetic.

a bit?

RollerDoc · #3 10-03-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney

It's a bit presumptuous to assume they can translate those kind of performances to synthetic.

I guess it is just clear to me that any horse other than Curlin or Big Brown, not neccesarrily in that order winning the BCC would be nothing other than a longshot. and a surprise. Thier records this year make that statement simple to not only me but handicappers alike.

Danzig · #4 10-03-2008, 10:42 AM

a good handicapper will take the surface into consideration. to ignore a surface switch, regardless of feelings on talent, would be a big mistake. surface matters! it's an unknown at this point whether either big brown or curlin will handle the change. it's very possible that they'll like it, and it's also quite possible they won't handle the change at all. a drop in their effort may be enough for an AWT specialist to make up the difference.
handicappers don't bet the chalk, they look for who offers the most value/best chance to win money. this race is a good place to try to beat the favorite(s).

RollerDoc · #5 10-03-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

a good handicapper will take the surface into consideration. to ignore a surface switch, regardless of feelings on talent, would be a big mistake. surface matters! it's an unknown at this point whether either big brown or curlin will handle the change. it's very possible that they'll like it, and it's also quite possible they won't handle the change at all. a drop in their effort may be enough for an AWT specialist to make up the difference.
handicappers don't bet the chalk, they look for who offers the most value/best chance to win money. this race is a good place to try to beat the favorite(s).

Agree 100%. To my point the money and handicappers (not to mention the media) will still be pointing to Big Brown and Curlin as the runaway favorites. The outcome may turn out very different, but I doubt it.

Danzig · #6 10-03-2008, 11:37 AM

i guess our opinion on what makes a handicapper must differ. the crowd of bettors will make those two the faves, while 'cappers will be looking to beat them. and with good reason, this will be their most vulnerable spot all year.

RollerDoc · #7 10-03-2008, 12:08 PM

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i guess our opinion on what makes a handicapper must differ. the crowd of bettors will make those two the faves, while 'cappers will be looking to beat them. and with good reason, this will be their most vulnerable spot all year.

If what you say is true, looks like there will be lots of money to be won. I hope you cash in your share. Me personally, I will be looking for one final Big Brown pay day. I wish the race was tomorrow. I can't wait. I love how the Derby winner is going into the BCC with incredible momentum (two solid victories on dirt and turf over upstarts and veteran horses). Clearly the adversity is behind him and the Big Brown camp can concentrate on just winning this race and solidify the Eclipse of 2008. Should other awards come his way, he will be deserving. I expect Curlin to will bring the very best Big Brown has to offer. We could be looking at heartstopper at the wire.

Cajungator26 · #8 10-03-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

If what you say is true, looks like there will be lots of money to be won. I hope you cash in your share. Me personally, I will be looking for one final Big Brown pay day. I wish the race was tomorrow. I can't wait. I love how the Derby winner is going into the BCC with incredible momentum (two solid victories on dirt and turf over upstarts and veteran horses). Clearly the adversity is behind him and the Big Brown camp can concentrate on just winning this race and solidify the Eclipse of 2008. Should other awards come his way, he will be deserving. I expect Curlin to will bring the very best Big Brown has to offer. We could be looking at heartstopper at the wire.

Yeah, when neither one of the two hit the wire first or second. LMAO