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SniperSB23 · #1 09-30-2008, 05:32 PM

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There is a ceiling for what a closer can make and Nathan would not have played 2nd fiddle to anyone. He would have been more sought after than Krod. The saves record is nice but it is a record of opportunity as much as anything. Since the Angels didnt score a lot of runs there were an extraordinary number of save chances. He did well with him opportunities but Nathan is every bit as good as him, maybe better.

K-Rod was sought after long before this season, which was arguably his worst. Nathan was born in 1974, K-Rod was born in 1982 and already has more career saves than Nathan. That gives K-Rod significantly more value in the open market.

Cannon Shell · #2 09-30-2008, 05:40 PM

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K-Rod was sought after long before this season, which was arguably his worst. Nathan was born in 1974, K-Rod was born in 1982 and already has more career saves than Nathan. That gives K-Rod significantly more value in the open market.

No the fact that Nathan is healthy and everyone thinks Krod's arm is going to fall off makes Nathan the better play. Krod isnt going to get a deal any better than the other 2 guys unless the Mets overpay him.

Crown@club · #3 09-30-2008, 05:52 PM

Francisco Rodriguez has eight saves of less than three outs. For comparison's sake, the pitchers ranked second and third in the AL in saves (Joakim Soria and Jonathan Papelbon) have combined for three all year. Brad Lidge, the NL's best reliever this season, has none.

K-Rod had his highest whip yet. (1.29) Up to just above average, but it keeps rising. But hey he still has an 1.000 K%.

SniperSB23 · #4 09-30-2008, 05:59 PM

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No the fact that Nathan is healthy and everyone thinks Krod's arm is going to fall off makes Nathan the better play. Krod isnt going to get a deal any better than the other 2 guys unless the Mets overpay him.

If the Mets don't overpay him it will be because the Angels do. An arbiter put his value at $10 million this year. I can't ever recall a player that had an arbitrated value close to that high and didn't get significantly more when entering the market (without being injured). I would think $14 to $15 million a year. The only way you'll see $12 million a year is if someone goes to 7 years and throws on a healthy buyout on an option for an 8th year. My prediction is 5 years - $70 million but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get more.

Cannon Shell · #5 09-30-2008, 06:05 PM

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If the Mets don't overpay him it will be because the Angels do. An arbiter put his value at $10 million this year. I can't ever recall a player that had an arbitrated value close to that high and didn't get significantly more when entering the market (without being injured). I would think $14 to $15 million a year. The only way you'll see $12 million a year is if someone goes to 7 years and throws on a healthy buyout on an option for an 8th year. My prediction is 5 years - $70 million but I wouldn't be shocked to see him get more.

Never happen. No closer is going to get more than a three or 4 year deal. I dont think he will get more than $12 a year either. There are too many deals at that level and he isnt better than the other guys. I just dont think the demand is there for him at crazy numbers.

SniperSB23 · #6 09-30-2008, 06:21 PM

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Never happen. No closer is going to get more than a three or 4 year deal. I dont think he will get more than $12 a year either. There are too many deals at that level and he isnt better than the other guys. I just dont think the demand is there for him at crazy numbers.

BJ Ryan got 5 years $47 million and that was back in 2005. K-Rod will get his $70 million.

Cannon Shell · #7 09-30-2008, 07:07 PM

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BJ Ryan got 5 years $47 million and that was back in 2005. K-Rod will get his $70 million.

And him blowing his arm out is why no one gives closers long term contracts. Omar Minaya does strange things with Latin players but if he does something that dumb it is close to Isiah time for him.

SniperSB23 · #8 09-30-2008, 07:10 PM

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And him blowing his arm out is why no one gives closers long term contracts. Omar Minaya does strange things with Latin players but if he does something that dumb it is close to Isiah time for him.

Most similar pitcher to K-Rod through 25

http://www.baseball-reference.com/o/olsongr01.shtml

MaTH716 · #9 09-30-2008, 07:26 PM

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And him blowing his arm out is why no one gives closers long term contracts. Omar Minaya does strange things with Latin players but if he does something that dumb it is close to Isiah time for him.

I don't think Minaya is very good, but that being said no one is in the Isiah category (Glenn Sather for the Rangers is getting close, maybe it is a msg thing. But that is for another thread another time).

But I really believe that Minaya is going to overpay and give him extra years on the deal to get K-Rod. The bullpen is the single most reason why they missed the playoffs and he is going to try to catch the biggest fish out there. He did it with Pedro. Gave him the extra year and Pedro was on the downside of his career. At least this guy s still in him prime.