Peppers Pride goes for 12 in a row!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Yea and he went what was it 50-1 in both those races??? I think not. As I recall at Saratoga he was the HEAVY HEAVY favorite and guess what wasnt he the favorite last time out also. So im thinking that this horse was suppost to be a little bit more so I dont want to hear that excuse.

He broke poorly at Saratoga and lost all chance. This past race he was the favorite until late in the wagering which was absolutely ridiculous with a horse like Fabulous Strike in the field. Obviously though he was ruined by his previous loss and it could have nothing to do with the better competition or the slop.

And I'm not really sure how this is relevant at all. If Pepper's Pride ran in open company and lost then no one would care if she returned to NM bred races. I just think it is silly that they aren't even giving her the shot and that people actually care about the streak when it is against NM breds.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Why is it so hard to accept her record for what it is?

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

... beacuse the reality is she's not gonna take their place, historically speaking.

People aren't stupid. They're never gonna compare her with the greats.

She'll be a nice, little aside.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

Heaven forbid she takes that record away form Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams too!!! How come you didnt mention them?? Any horse that wins 17 races in a row deserves the record. Oh and by the way in case people dont know this 12 of the wins were in stakes races. Albeit against NM breds but its not like she racing in 4000 claiming races and mopping up old broken down horses.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

...

People aren't stupid.

Really?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Heaven forbid she takes that record away form Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams too!!! How come you didnt mention them?? Any horse that wins 17 races in a row deserves the record. Oh and by the way in case people dont know this 12 of the wins were in stakes races. Albeit against NM breds but its not like she racing in 4000 claiming races and mopping up old broken down horses.

So if other horses also share in the record, then it doesn't make sense to want Citation to still hold a part of it? What kind of logic is that exactly?

I really don't get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Somebody has to have this record. I would rather Citation and Cigar have it (or at least a part of it) than Pepper's Pride have it. When Brett Favre and Peyton Manning were approaching some of Dan Marino's records in recent years, I rooted against them too. It wasn't anything personal against them, I'm just a fan of Dan Marino.

If people want to cheer for her, fine. But some people seem to be under the assumption that everyone simply MUST cheer for her. Well........no, in fact they don't.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're spreading a lot of incorrect things in this thread, but this is one of the worst. Have you looked at the PP's for the field she's facing Saturday? Or the other fields she's faced? They might not be 4k claimers, but they're not that far off. And they are definitely not what most would consider stakes horses. New mexico breds? Come on...She's a nice story if you enjoy that kind of stuff, but let's be a little realistic here.

Peppers Pride overcame being soundly bumped in the first turn of the $75,000 Foutz Distaff Handicap at SunRay Park in Farmington, N.M. on Saturday to win her 16th straight race and tie the modern mark for consecutive victories by a North American-based Thoroughbred.

This is just the beginning of one article. Since whe do 4 claimers race for $75000.
The race before that was worth 100k.

A full sister to stakes winner Desert Pride, Peppers Pride is out of the stakes-placed Chili Pepper Pie mare Lady Pepper. Peppers Pride's sire, Desert God, is out of Blush with Pride, dam of Broodmare of the Year Better Than Honour. She has amassed 12 stakes wins, all in races restricted to New Mexico-breds and $861,665 in purse earnings.

Well there's where I saw the 12 stakes wins, so how is that inaccurate??????????? and since when do horses of 4k claimer caliber make close to a million dollars???


Please tell me how I am spreading inaccuracies.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Peppers Pride overcame being soundly bumped in the first turn of the $75,000 Foutz Distaff Handicap at SunRay Park in Farmington, N.M. on Saturday to win her 16th straight race and tie the modern mark for consecutive victories by a North American-based Thoroughbred.

This is just the beginning of one article. Since whe do 4 claimers race for $75000.
The race before that was worth 100k.

A full sister to stakes winner Desert Pride, Peppers Pride is out of the stakes-placed Chili Pepper Pie mare Lady Pepper. Peppers Pride's sire, Desert God, is out of Blush with Pride, dam of Broodmare of the Year Better Than Honour. She has amassed 12 stakes wins, all in races restricted to New Mexico-breds and $861,665 in purse earnings.

Well there's where I saw the 12 stakes wins, so how is that inaccurate??????????? and since when do horses of 4k claimer caliber make close to a million dollars???


Please tell me how I am spreading inaccuracies.

If you want to explain why you want to see her break the record, and argue that others should too....fine.
But come on, don't try to convince people that she is actually a good horse.

800k in earnings? YAY!!! That just puts her a half million behind Supah Blitz.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by miraja2

So if other horses also share in the record, then it doesn't make sense to want Citation to still hold a part of it? What kind of logic is that exactly?

I really don't get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Somebody has to have this record. I would rather Citation and Cigar have it (or at least a part of it) than Pepper's Pride have it. When Brett Favre and Peyton Manning were approaching some of Dan Marino's records in recent years, I rooted against them too. It wasn't anything personal against them, I'm just a fan of Dan Marino.

If people want to cheer for her, fine. But some people seem to be under the assumption that everyone simply MUST cheer for her. Well........no, in fact they don't.

Nobody said you must cheer for the horse but you have to admit winning 17 races in a row is very difficult. And the reason I put those other in there was to cheapen the record for you, its not the end all of records. Two other horses that many people have never heard of share the record with them. So its not the the single season home run record is being broken here.

[letswastemoney]

I don't hate Pepper's Pride.

But the only reason she's not a claiming horse is because of the circuit she's in. Take her to Santa Anita and she'd be a 50,000 claimer.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I don't hate Pepper's Pride.

But the only reason she's not a claiming horse is because of the circuit she's in. Take her to Santa Anita and she'd be a 50,000 claimer.

Well then why dont people in California take their 50k claimer to NM win 20 races in a row and make over a mil with all their horses. That would be the smart thing to do wouldnt it.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Well then why dont people in California take their 50k claimer to NM win 20 races in a row and make over a mil with all their horses. That would be the smart thing to do wouldnt it.

Oh I don't know.....maybe because.....MOST OF THEM AREN'T NEW MEXICO BREDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Well then why dont people in California take their 50k claimer to NM win 20 races in a row and make over a mil with all their horses. That would be the smart thing to do wouldnt it.

I apologize for my ignorance earlier. I can see you clearly know what you are talking about here.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Calm down for a second and look at what you posted. They can throw a million dollars at a purse for New Mexico breds, it won't change the quality of runners. More money doesn't always equal better quality and this is a prime example. I'd like you to look at the PP's for the field she's facing on Saturday. I did. They would be lucky to hit the board in a low level claiming race at a NYRA or Southern California track.

She shows up everytime and just wins. There's a lot to be said about that. But, she's earned her money running in restricted races where the purses do not reflect the type of runners it attracts. Maybe inaccuracies isn't the correct word. But your comparison to Lucky Island was wrong and your thought that because they are stakes races, they must be good horses is also incorrect. Again, take a look at the PP's for Saturday. I bet you'll have a different take.

Sir, I am a veteran member of this thread that has now gone on for close to a year, and I can promise you that using this sort of logic and rational thought will get you nowhere here.

[brianwspencer]

Seems like there's a fairly clear way to look at it.

Can't everyone admit that she's a neat little horse with a bit of remarkable consistency?

I sure can. She obviously shows up everytime they lead her to post, which is cool, and she's never once tossed in a real clunker, which is also cool because even the good ones usually toss in a bad race every now and then.

Ok, now, it's worth noting....she's just not that good. Her consistency, while admirable for just that, is that she's just consistently good enough to beat NM-bred runners. Her owner has made it clear that he's got no illusions of her being on the same plane as Cigar or Citation, and nobody else should either.

So yea, it's a neat little feat she's pulled here while taking advantage of very suspect competition and a pretty generous statebred program down there in NM. If I owned her, I wouldn't run her anywhere else either, when I could just take the free money in NM.

But I imagine she would be hard pressed to duplicate this success in just about any other state's statebred program. She certainly wouldn't run that streak off here in Chicago against IL statebreds, and we're not even close to the top of the heap.

So, in conclusion....cute, good for her, good for her owners, I hope she keeps winning and then I, along with everyone else, will forget about her in two years.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Seems like there's a fairly clear way to look at it.

Can't everyone admit that she's a neat little horse with a bit of remarkable consistency?

I sure can. She obviously shows up everytime they lead her to post, which is cool, and she's never once tossed in a real clunker, which is also cool because even the good ones usually toss in a bad race every now and then.

Ok, now, it's worth noting....she's just not that good. Her consistency, while admirable for just that, is that she's just consistently good enough to beat NM-bred runners. Her owner has made it clear that he's got no illusions of her being on the same plane as Cigar or Citation, and nobody else should either.

So yea, it's a neat little feat she's pulled here while taking advantage of very suspect competition and a pretty generous statebred program down there in NM. If I owned her, I wouldn't run her anywhere else either, when I could just take the free money in NM.

But I imagine she would be hard pressed to duplicate this success in just about any other state's statebred program. She certainly wouldn't run that streak off here in Chicago against IL statebreds, and we're not even close to the top of the heap.

So, in conclusion....cute, good for her, good for her owners, I hope she keeps winning and then I, along with everyone else, will forget about her in two years.

now that just makes too much sense..

[Kasept]

I'm a big fan of Pepper's Pride, Joel Marr and Joe Allen, so I won't get into a fight about the story here. I had Marr on 'At the Races' when Pepper won her 11th or 12th straight as it became clear she was a big talent.





Marr and his whole family work the New Mexico-West Texas QH/TB circuit. His folks, wife, brother and sister in law, children. All are involved in their operation. That's him ponying Pepper below.





Joe Allen owns Abilene's best BBQ/Steak house and cleverly found sire Desert God and is developing a NM-bred dynasty. He's a guy to admire. I had him on ATR while he was driving to Riudoso.





If people can't see the charm and beauty in Pepper's Pride and this story, they really aren't appreciative of the heritage and lifestyle involved in breeding, raising, training and racing horses.

[Antitrust32]

Desert God stood at the U of A for awhile. Wonder if Joe Allen has any relation to Ron Allen who worked with Desert God at the university?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...ew-Mexico.aspx

They all have cowboy hats. LOL.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

They all have cowboy hats. LOL.

Well, all 'ceptin for the yungun..