Peppers Pride goes for 12 in a row!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I couldn't care less what her connections are comfortable with. What I do care about is people placing any importance on this feat and possibly even considering that it should count as the record for most consecutive wins. That is where the disdain comes in.

C'mon Sniper... you're better than that. You're a very sharp guy and I've learned a lot from you.

In terms of historical perspective no one is gonna remember her as more than a sidebar..... no one is saying she's a great.

Why is it so hard to accept her record for what it is?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Why is it so hard to accept her record for what it is?

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

... beacuse the reality is she's not gonna take their place, historically speaking.

People aren't stupid. They're never gonna compare her with the greats.

She'll be a nice, little aside.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

...

People aren't stupid.

Really?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

Heaven forbid she takes that record away form Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams too!!! How come you didnt mention them?? Any horse that wins 17 races in a row deserves the record. Oh and by the way in case people dont know this 12 of the wins were in stakes races. Albeit against NM breds but its not like she racing in 4000 claiming races and mopping up old broken down horses.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Heaven forbid she takes that record away form Mister Frisky and Hallowed Dreams too!!! How come you didnt mention them?? Any horse that wins 17 races in a row deserves the record. Oh and by the way in case people dont know this 12 of the wins were in stakes races. Albeit against NM breds but its not like she racing in 4000 claiming races and mopping up old broken down horses.

So if other horses also share in the record, then it doesn't make sense to want Citation to still hold a part of it? What kind of logic is that exactly?

I really don't get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Somebody has to have this record. I would rather Citation and Cigar have it (or at least a part of it) than Pepper's Pride have it. When Brett Favre and Peyton Manning were approaching some of Dan Marino's records in recent years, I rooted against them too. It wasn't anything personal against them, I'm just a fan of Dan Marino.

If people want to cheer for her, fine. But some people seem to be under the assumption that everyone simply MUST cheer for her. Well........no, in fact they don't.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by miraja2

So if other horses also share in the record, then it doesn't make sense to want Citation to still hold a part of it? What kind of logic is that exactly?

I really don't get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Somebody has to have this record. I would rather Citation and Cigar have it (or at least a part of it) than Pepper's Pride have it. When Brett Favre and Peyton Manning were approaching some of Dan Marino's records in recent years, I rooted against them too. It wasn't anything personal against them, I'm just a fan of Dan Marino.

If people want to cheer for her, fine. But some people seem to be under the assumption that everyone simply MUST cheer for her. Well........no, in fact they don't.

Nobody said you must cheer for the horse but you have to admit winning 17 races in a row is very difficult. And the reason I put those other in there was to cheapen the record for you, its not the end all of records. Two other horses that many people have never heard of share the record with them. So its not the the single season home run record is being broken here.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

So if other horses also share in the record, then it doesn't make sense to want Citation to still hold a part of it? What kind of logic is that exactly?

I really don't get why this is so hard for people to grasp. Somebody has to have this record. I would rather Citation and Cigar have it (or at least a part of it) than Pepper's Pride have it. When Brett Favre and Peyton Manning were approaching some of Dan Marino's records in recent years, I rooted against them too. It wasn't anything personal against them, I'm just a fan of Dan Marino.

If people want to cheer for her, fine. But some people seem to be under the assumption that everyone simply MUST cheer for her. Well........no, in fact they don't.

and i agree with what you wrote here as well....i argued that najran shouldn't be on the list as co-record holder at a mile with dr fager, but there he is....but dr fager is still the good doctor, and najran is the hallowed dreams/mr frisky of his day.

[miraja2]

Yeah, but both of your above posts are talking about horses being TIED with legends in the record book. That's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about her breaking the record. Of course nobody will forget Citation and Cigar if their record is broken. That isn't the point at all. Nobody forgot Dan Marino just because his records were broken, but does that mean I have to hope they do get broken? I dont think so. I like Dan Marino better than Brett Favre. Therefore, I wanted Marino rather than Favre to have those records. For this record, I like some of the current record holders better than Peppers Pride, therefore I want them - rather than her - to have the record. It is pretty much that simple.

Why don't you just admit your real motivation here? You - like the rest of "them" - just hate Hang Glide and want to see her lose.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Yeah, but both of your above posts are talking about horses being TIED with legends in the record book. That's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about her breaking the record. Of course nobody will forget Citation and Cigar if their record is broken. That isn't the point at all. Nobody forgot Dan Marino just because his records were broken, but does that mean I have to hope they do get broken? I dont think so. I like Dan Marino better than Brett Favre. Therefore, I wanted Marino rather than Favre to have those records. For this record, I like some of the current record holders better than Peppers Pride, therefore I want them - rather than her - to have the record. It is pretty much that simple.

Why don't you just admit your real motivation here? You - like the rest of "them" - just hate Hang Glide and want to see her lose. ;)

lol

i just think if she does break it, that it'll become another basically meaningless record. whether that matters or not, i don't know. most record holders for various distances are unknowns, she'll be anonymous along with them. i think most folks can only name one or two world record holders at most....

but i see your point, i can't argue with it at all.

now, that rat hang glide....arghhh.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I take back what I said. I'm fascinated by that picture of the Marrs. Anyone have any more?

^^sellout

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I take back what I said. I'm fascinated by that picture of the Marrs. Anyone have any more?

Those are actually Allens, but I knew it would draw you in....












Mighty compelling, eh?

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You're spreading a lot of incorrect things in this thread, but this is one of the worst. Have you looked at the PP's for the field she's facing Saturday? Or the other fields she's faced? They might not be 4k claimers, but they're not that far off. And they are definitely not what most would consider stakes horses. New mexico breds? Come on...She's a nice story if you enjoy that kind of stuff, but let's be a little realistic here.

Peppers Pride overcame being soundly bumped in the first turn of the $75,000 Foutz Distaff Handicap at SunRay Park in Farmington, N.M. on Saturday to win her 16th straight race and tie the modern mark for consecutive victories by a North American-based Thoroughbred.

This is just the beginning of one article. Since whe do 4 claimers race for $75000.
The race before that was worth 100k.

A full sister to stakes winner Desert Pride, Peppers Pride is out of the stakes-placed Chili Pepper Pie mare Lady Pepper. Peppers Pride's sire, Desert God, is out of Blush with Pride, dam of Broodmare of the Year Better Than Honour. She has amassed 12 stakes wins, all in races restricted to New Mexico-breds and $861,665 in purse earnings.

Well there's where I saw the 12 stakes wins, so how is that inaccurate??????????? and since when do horses of 4k claimer caliber make close to a million dollars???


Please tell me how I am spreading inaccuracies.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Peppers Pride overcame being soundly bumped in the first turn of the $75,000 Foutz Distaff Handicap at SunRay Park in Farmington, N.M. on Saturday to win her 16th straight race and tie the modern mark for consecutive victories by a North American-based Thoroughbred.

This is just the beginning of one article. Since whe do 4 claimers race for $75000.
The race before that was worth 100k.

A full sister to stakes winner Desert Pride, Peppers Pride is out of the stakes-placed Chili Pepper Pie mare Lady Pepper. Peppers Pride's sire, Desert God, is out of Blush with Pride, dam of Broodmare of the Year Better Than Honour. She has amassed 12 stakes wins, all in races restricted to New Mexico-breds and $861,665 in purse earnings.

Well there's where I saw the 12 stakes wins, so how is that inaccurate??????????? and since when do horses of 4k claimer caliber make close to a million dollars???


Please tell me how I am spreading inaccuracies.

If you want to explain why you want to see her break the record, and argue that others should too....fine.
But come on, don't try to convince people that she is actually a good horse.

800k in earnings? YAY!!! That just puts her a half million behind Supah Blitz.

[letswastemoney]

I don't hate Pepper's Pride.

But the only reason she's not a claiming horse is because of the circuit she's in. Take her to Santa Anita and she'd be a 50,000 claimer.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

I don't hate Pepper's Pride.

But the only reason she's not a claiming horse is because of the circuit she's in. Take her to Santa Anita and she'd be a 50,000 claimer.

Well then why dont people in California take their 50k claimer to NM win 20 races in a row and make over a mil with all their horses. That would be the smart thing to do wouldnt it.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Calm down for a second and look at what you posted. They can throw a million dollars at a purse for New Mexico breds, it won't change the quality of runners. More money doesn't always equal better quality and this is a prime example. I'd like you to look at the PP's for the field she's facing on Saturday. I did. They would be lucky to hit the board in a low level claiming race at a NYRA or Southern California track.

She shows up everytime and just wins. There's a lot to be said about that. But, she's earned her money running in restricted races where the purses do not reflect the type of runners it attracts. Maybe inaccuracies isn't the correct word. But your comparison to Lucky Island was wrong and your thought that because they are stakes races, they must be good horses is also incorrect. Again, take a look at the PP's for Saturday. I bet you'll have a different take.

Sir, I am a veteran member of this thread that has now gone on for close to a year, and I can promise you that using this sort of logic and rational thought will get you nowhere here.

[brianwspencer]

Seems like there's a fairly clear way to look at it.

Can't everyone admit that she's a neat little horse with a bit of remarkable consistency?

I sure can. She obviously shows up everytime they lead her to post, which is cool, and she's never once tossed in a real clunker, which is also cool because even the good ones usually toss in a bad race every now and then.

Ok, now, it's worth noting....she's just not that good. Her consistency, while admirable for just that, is that she's just consistently good enough to beat NM-bred runners. Her owner has made it clear that he's got no illusions of her being on the same plane as Cigar or Citation, and nobody else should either.

So yea, it's a neat little feat she's pulled here while taking advantage of very suspect competition and a pretty generous statebred program down there in NM. If I owned her, I wouldn't run her anywhere else either, when I could just take the free money in NM.

But I imagine she would be hard pressed to duplicate this success in just about any other state's statebred program. She certainly wouldn't run that streak off here in Chicago against IL statebreds, and we're not even close to the top of the heap.

So, in conclusion....cute, good for her, good for her owners, I hope she keeps winning and then I, along with everyone else, will forget about her in two years.

[TitanSooner]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Seems like there's a fairly clear way to look at it.

Can't everyone admit that she's a neat little horse with a bit of remarkable consistency?

I sure can. She obviously shows up everytime they lead her to post, which is cool, and she's never once tossed in a real clunker, which is also cool because even the good ones usually toss in a bad race every now and then.

Ok, now, it's worth noting....she's just not that good. Her consistency, while admirable for just that, is that she's just consistently good enough to beat NM-bred runners. Her owner has made it clear that he's got no illusions of her being on the same plane as Cigar or Citation, and nobody else should either.

So yea, it's a neat little feat she's pulled here while taking advantage of very suspect competition and a pretty generous statebred program down there in NM. If I owned her, I wouldn't run her anywhere else either, when I could just take the free money in NM.

But I imagine she would be hard pressed to duplicate this success in just about any other state's statebred program. She certainly wouldn't run that streak off here in Chicago against IL statebreds, and we're not even close to the top of the heap.

So, in conclusion....cute, good for her, good for her owners, I hope she keeps winning and then I, along with everyone else, will forget about her in two years.

now that just makes too much sense..

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why is it so hard to accept that some people would like to see horses like Citation and Cigar retain the record?

this pretty much helps my miss storm cats argument about the record not boosting peppers pride's standing historically.

everyone talks about citation and cigar when they speak of this great record. but where's mention of mister frisky and hallowed dreams? exactly! they aren't there, because no one cares about them. just like peppers pride will be a trivial spot in history, but cigar and citation will still be revered, record holder or not.
it's not as tho man o war has been forgotten because records he set are long-broken.