Stardom Bound

Betsy · #1 09-29-2008, 10:07 PM

She's set to be sold after the BC, which kind of makes me nervous. It just sounds so unsettled...........

http://www.drf.com/news/article/98644.html

lemoncrush · #2 09-30-2008, 10:41 AM

The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?

SniperSB23 · #3 09-30-2008, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?

Has she even worked since her last race?

ateamstupid · #4 09-30-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?

I think Stardom Bound would floss her teeth with Mani Bhavan at anything over six furlongs.

RolloTomasi · #5 09-30-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lemoncrush

The only other 2-yo filly I've seen this year that I might pick to beat her is Mani Bhavan. I see she's not scheduled to run at Belmont this weekend.
Anyone know is she's going in the Spinster at Keenland, or training up to the BC?

Definitely not in the Spinster. You're thinking of the Alcibiades.

lemoncrush · #6 09-30-2008, 01:24 PM

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Definitely not in the Spinster. You're thinking of the Alcibiades.

Ahh, right. Wrong age group.

And didn't Point Ashley go from the DelMar Debutante to that same sale a couple of years ago? or was she sold privately and then a phantom injury ended her illustrious career?

RolloTomasi · #7 09-30-2008, 02:14 PM

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Ahh, right. Wrong age group.

And didn't Point Ashley go from the DelMar Debutante to that same sale a couple of years ago? or was she sold privately and then a phantom injury ended her illustrious career?

I think Zayat Stable bought her back or something.

slotdirt · #8 09-30-2008, 02:26 PM

I believe Point Ashley was the origin of the <insert horse here> "has done enough" phrase.

Scav · #9 09-30-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

She's set to be sold after the BC, which kind of makes me nervous. It just sounds so unsettled...........

http://www.drf.com/news/article/98644.html

Why would it make you nervous, the owner is dissolving his stable and Paasch is getting out of training.

I can think of a couple recent fillies that went from the BC Juv Fillies right to the sales ring

Betsy · #10 09-30-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Why would it make you nervous, the owner is dissolving his stable and Paasch is getting out of training.

I can think of a couple recent fillies that went from the BC Juv Fillies right to the sales ring

It makes me nervous as to who's going to buy her. Darley gets in on anything with 4 legs and I don't want them to buy her - that would mean she automatically retires after next year, no matter how good she ends up being. I also don't want her being bought by Japanese interests - I want to see SB run in the States.

Scav · #11 09-30-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Betsy

It makes me nervous as to who's going to buy her. Darley gets in on anything with 4 legs and I don't want them to buy her - that would mean she automatically retires after next year, no matter how good she ends up being. I also don't want her being bought by Japanese interests - I want to see SB run in the States.

When have the Japanese bought a horse that was racing and then shipped it to Japan to solely race in Japan? I have never seen that, at least in the last 10 years

You realize that she would retire at the end of her 3 year old year with about 90% of the connections out there right because of her value as a broodmare, which is somewhat questionable given her breeding.

Scav · #12 09-30-2008, 02:42 PM

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I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this. Fillies retire early much less than colts do. Even really good fillies. Look at the last 15 3 year old filly eclipse winners. Off the top of my head, the only ones that didn't come back at 4 were the injured Rags, Farda Amiga and Yank's Music.

2007 : Rags to Riches
2006 : Wait A While
2005 : Smuggler
2004 : Ashado
2003 : Bird Town
2002 : Farda Amiga
2001 : Xtra Heat
2000 : Surfside
1999 : Silverbulletday
1998 : Banshee Breeze
1997 : Ajina
1996 : Yanks Music
1995 : Serena's Song
1994 : Heavenly Prize
1993 : Hollywood Wildcat

I stand corrected on that point......

Scav · #13 09-30-2008, 02:47 PM

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I just wanted to try and be like DrugS once.

That was a very Drugs-esqe post, nice job....

RolloTomasi · #14 09-30-2008, 04:24 PM

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I just wanted to try and be like DrugS once.

I don't think Bird Town ran at 4. I think people were calling for ML Whitney's plastic-reinforced head on here, in fact, when it was announced.

KirisClown · #15 09-30-2008, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I don't think Bird Town ran at 4..

You're right...

She is coming home to the farm," Whitney told the Albany Times Union. "I am not in this game to try and milk every penny out of these horses while they're running. She has done so much for us and I just love her so much."

I guess RACING a RACE horse for longer than a year is considered "milking".

RolloTomasi · #16 09-30-2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe not. Like I said, it was off the top of my head. I don't really remember Smuggler running at 4 either, but still the point is the same.

True. It was just ironic that she was glanced over cuz I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of people in an uproar over her retirement.

Personally, I thought the early retirement of Birdstone was even worse. The excuse being he wouldn't be able to make the Donn Handicap or something after ankle surgery.

King Glorious · #17 09-30-2008, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm not sure I necessarily agree with this. Fillies retire early much less than colts do. Even really good fillies. Look at the last 15 3 year old filly eclipse winners. Off the top of my head, the only ones that didn't come back at 4 were the injured Rags, Farda Amiga and Yank's Music.

2007 : Rags to Riches...........Curlin
2006 : Wait A While.........Bernardini
2005 : Smuggler.............Afleet Alex
2004 : Ashado...........Smarty Jones
2003 : Bird Town............Funny Cide
2002 : Farda Amiga...........War Emblem
2001 : Xtra Heat.......Point Given
2000 : Surfside.........Tiznow
1999 : Silverbulletday.........Charismatic
1998 : Banshee Breeze........Real Quiet
1997 : Ajina.........Silver Charm
1996 : Yanks Music.......Skip Away
1995 : Serena's Song.......Thunder Gulch
1994 : Heavenly Prize..........Holy Bull
1993 : Hollywood Wildcat.......Prairie Bayou

The same could almost be said for the champion colts over this same period. Injuries took Prairie Bayou, Thunder Gulch, Charismatic, Point Given, Smarty Jones, and Afleet Alex. Of the rest, Holy Bull, Skip Away, Silver Charm, Real Quiet, Tiznow, Funny Cide, and Curlin all came back. The only ones that didn't come back because of owner's choice that didn't suffer injury were Bernardini and War Emblem.

RolloTomasi · #18 09-30-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

The same could almost be said for the champion colts over this same period. Injuries took Prairie Bayou, Thunder Gulch, Charismatic, Point Given, Smarty Jones, and Afleet Alex. Of the rest, Holy Bull, Skip Away, Silver Charm, Real Quiet, Tiznow, Funny Cide, and Curlin all came back. The only ones that didn't come back because of owner's choice that didn't suffer injury were Bernardini and War Emblem.

Maybe using the year-end champion wasn't the best platform, but the point was that the colts tend to retire much sooner. In fact, so soon that the majority don't do enough to earn a championship. Just as long as they win some "stallion-making" or "name" race.

Look no further than last year. Before they even ran the Classic we knew that Hard Spun, Street Sense, and most likely Any Given Saturday wouldn't return at 4.

Actually, the 3yos that run in the Classic are often a good source of such horses. Coronado's Quest, his sire Forty Niner, FuPeg, Giant's Causeway, Hold That Tiger, Birdstone, Black Minnaloushe, Came Home, War Emblem, Bernardini, etc.