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[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sniper, you don't want Lidge. He's terrible.

I'll admit, I was weary of him when the Phils first signed him, but I have to ask. If 41 for 41 save opportunities is terrible, then what would constitute as being good?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I'll admit, I was weary of him when the Phils first signed him, but I have to ask. If 41 for 41 save opportunities is terrible, then what would constitute as being good?

I was thinking the same thing, but I thought for sure that I either Joey or I were confusing him with someone else....

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I'll admit, I was weary of him when the Phils first signed him, but I have to ask. If 41 for 41 save opportunities is terrible, then what would constitute as being good?

he's had a good year, but he's overrated. Not by any means terrible though. He had me on the edge of my seat Saturday, thank you J ROLL!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

I'll admit, I was weary of him when the Phils first signed him, but I have to ask. If 41 for 41 save opportunities is terrible, then what would constitute as being good?

He'll cough it up in a pressure situation during the playoffs. Guaranteed.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He'll cough it up in a pressure situation during the playoffs. Guaranteed.

Once maybe, the Mets current bullpen would have coughed it up every game guaranteed. I'll take my chances with Brad Lidge over Luis Ayala anyday.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Once maybe, the Mets current bullpen would have coughed it up every game guaranteed. I'll take my chances with Brad Lidge over Luis Ayala anyday.

Clearly. I'm just saying I'd take either of the other two guys you mentioned over Lidge in a heartbeat. Lidge isn't in the same league as Nathan or K-Rod.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He'll cough it up in a pressure situation during the playoffs. Guaranteed.

What else are you getting from that crystal ball??

The guy has simply done everything asked of him, and even with an unblemished record, he gets slammed for what may or may not transpire in October.

Listen, I horselaughed (im talkin John Elway horselaugh) my brothers best friend when he suggested (proir to the season) that he would end up with 40 saves. I could not see it happening. Fast forward a few months, and I'm the guy that had no clue on what he was talking about. Surprised isnt that word when it comes to a revived Lidge.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by declansharbor

What else are you getting from that crystal ball??

The guy has simply done everything asked of him, and even with an unblemished record, he gets slammed for what may or may not transpire in October.

Listen, I horselaughed (im talkin John Elway horselaugh) my brothers best friend when he suggested (proir to the season) that he would end up with 40 saves. I could not see it happening. Fast forward a few months, and I'm the guy that had no clue on what he was talking about. Surprised isnt that word when it comes to a revived Lidge.

It's not up for debate that he's got issues with late season and postseason saves. If he navigates this postseason without any blown saves or any skin-of-the-teeth saves, I'll eat crow, but until then, he's still a gagger.

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's not up for debate that he's got issues with late season and postseason saves. If he navigates this postseason without any blown saves or any skin-of-the-teeth saves, I'll eat crow, but until then, he's still a gagger.

Fair enough.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

It's not up for debate that he's got issues with late season and postseason saves. If he navigates this postseason without any blown saves or any skin-of-the-teeth saves, I'll eat crow, but until then, he's still a gagger.

The guy is a great closer. He gave up one awful HR to Pujols which obviously was devastating as it lingered into the 2006 season but since then he has been lights out. The famous HR game was his 4th game in a row during that seris. He saved the other 3. His stats are especially good considering he has pitched his home games at 2 of the best hitters parks in baseball. He and KRod have close to identical post season numbers. I guess you forgot the 2 games Krod lost in the 2004 playoffs before he was even closing. The Phillies dont make the playoffs without Lidge. The Mets win the division by 8 games if they had him.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The guy is a great closer. He gave up one awful HR to Pujols which obviously was devastating as it lingered into the 2006 season but since then he has been lights out. The famous HR game was his 4th game in a row during that seris. He saved the other 3. His stats are especially good considering he has pitched his home games at 2 of the best hitters parks in baseball. He and KRod have close to identical post season numbers. I guess you forgot the 2 games Krod lost in the 2004 playoffs before he was even closing. The Phillies dont make the playoffs without Lidge. The Mets win the division by 8 games if they had him.

He was bad down the stretch in '05, had a horrendous postseason that year, and was lousy to awful the next two seasons. He had a very good year this regular season, but pitching in the postseason is a whole different beast, and until he proves that he's exorcised those demons, spare me the "but he's so valuable!" speech.

If the Mets had a good closer, they would have won the division? You don't say. Thanks Bill James, everything suddenly makes sense now.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

He was bad down the stretch in '05, had a horrendous postseason that year, and was lousy to awful the next two seasons. He had a very good year this regular season, but pitching in the postseason is a whole different beast, and until he proves that he's exorcised those demons, spare me the "but he's so valuable!" speech.

If the Mets had a good closer, they would have won the division? You don't say. Thanks Bill James, I feel such a sense of closure now.

Stick to football. He was hurt in the begining of 07 and was very good the 2nd half of the season. He did not have a horrendous postseason in 05. Maybe if you had watched him save three games in a row BEFORE the Pujols HR you would have realized this. Saying that KRod and Nathan are way better than him is silly. Especially after this season. I suppose Eckersley was a post season choker and should be booted out of the hall of fame because he gave up a HR to Gibson. At least Lidge got beat by the best hiter since Ted Williams.