So..no more free speech?

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

PG1985/jcs1105/hrfan puts something up too. So what?

I just think if you are going to preach to people and act like you have it all figured out. Then maybe you should present your case a lot better. He doesn't, so he gets flack. And he gives it right back.

There can be no denying he has made some really dumb comments the last few weeks. I understand you not wanting to agree, but if you are going to insist on butting in, can you at least be honest and not skate around stuff. Say what's on your mind. Don't pussyfoot around and try and be clever. It doesn't work.

There is no attempt to be clever whatsoever.
So you disagree with my holocaust assessment.
Tell me why?

Maybe its cause my Dad was a lawyer. I see holes
in both sides. Ask me a question... I have never shirked
at giving at an opinion. And I really dont feel totally at ease
really thinking people are jerks unless I have met them.
I have met no one on this internet board.
You actually may not be a jerk at all.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Look, I'm not going to go back and forth with you. It's a gigantic waste of both of our times. Yes I disagree with your Holocaust assessment. Hitler persecuted the Jews because they were Jewish. That's it in a nutshell. Now, I could type 3 more sentences and try and be cute, clever and try and come off as smart, but there is no need.

I aksed you a question. It was a pretty simple quesion. You danced around and tried to be clever. It's fine.

No you really dont get it then.
What does being Jewish mean?
You tell me, were the Jews persecuted for WHAT THEY BELIEVED
or who they were? This is a very important distinction. You might
find it trivial, but it is not.

Who were the Jews in the early 30's in Germany?
What made them a target then?
Your turn, since apparently you are a holocaust expert.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm a Holocaust expert? Interesting twist there. I love how a simple question turns into this stuff.

The Jews were persecuted for being Jewish. Hitler, IMO didn't care what they believed, he just saw them as different and a threat to his master race, because they were Jewish, so he did what he did. So, to make a statement that their religion, which is what made them different, had nothing to do with their killing is a foolish one. He wanted to do away with anyone he viewed as different, whether it be color, religion, etc.

Now, like I said, I'm not going to go back and forth. You are back to your old tricks of complaining about stuff, but then sticking yourself right in the middle of it. You were asked a simple question, that didn't require any attempt to be clever, but you couldn't give a straight answer. You're caught up in trying to come off as a clever Robin Hood. I won't waste anymore time than I already have.

Whatever.
Diff. and a threat to the master race?
How could they possibly be considered a threat?
Imo there are much more revealing answers.

Sure you dont want to discuss this, because you dont know
anything about it except the cursory lines.
Forget it.
Same old same old.
You know it all.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Whatever.
Diff. and a threat to the master race?
How could they possibly be considered a threat?
Imo there are much more revealing answers.

Sure you dont want to discuss this, because you dont know
anything about it except the cursory lines.
Forget it.
Same old same old.
You know it all.

Whatever. No one claimed to be experts in the Jewish persecution...except for you.

In this case, one doesnt need to be an expert on the subject to know the answer. Its rather easy...no matter how much you want to distort it.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Whatever. No one claimed to be experts in the Jewish persecution...except for you.

In this case, one doesnt need to be an expert on the subject to know the answer. Its rather easy...no matter how much you want to distort it.

Rather easy? ARE you fckn kidding me?

You dont even have an opinion.

In your haste to castrate another poster
you stepped overboard. I dont claim to be an expert.
But I have a clear opinion on why the Jews were persecuted.
It is a question that Jews themselves have argued endlessly
over. So give your opinion.

And it is not distorting it. It is a very important question for
the Jewish people themselves my friend. If you call looking deeply
into reasons distortion, then so be it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Rather easy? ARE you fckn kidding me?

You dont even have an opinion.

In your haste to castrate another poster
you stepped overboard. I dont claim to be an expert.
But I have a clear opinion on why the Jews were persecuted.
It is a question that Jews themselves have argued endlessly
over. So give your opinion.

And it is not distorting it. It is a very important question for
the Jewish people themselves my friend. If you call looking deeply
into reasons distortion, then so be it.

In your haste to present yourself as the defender of the needy you miss the point...rather badly.

You are trying to act like you are an authority on Jewish history in Eastern Europe and all of the socioeconomic reasons behind the holocaust because you read a book. Im impressed.

I posted my equation earlier. Read it. It doesnt need to be complicated. Its simple. Sure there are other reasons behind what went on and no one ever denied that.

But to say that Jewish people didnt get killed because they are jewish is just dumb. Thats like saying that black people were enslaved because of skin color. Sure...you can make a case for all of the other factors that went down but...last i checked, the slaves in America were black for the most part. What differentiated them was race, what differentiated the jews was religion.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

In your haste to present yourself as the defender of the needy you miss the point...rather badly.

You are trying to act like you are an authority on Jewish history in Eastern Europe and all of the socioeconomic reasons behind the holocaust because you read a book. Im impressed.

I posted my equation earlier. Read it. It doesnt need to be complicated. Its simple. Sure there are other reasons behind what went on and no one ever denied that.

But to say that Jewish people didnt get killed because they are jewish is just dumb. Thats like saying that black people were enslaved because of skin color. Sure...you can make a case for all of the other factors that went down but...last i checked, the slaves in America were black for the most part. What differentiated them was race, what differentiated the jews was religion.

Oh for gosh sakes.
Were did I say the bolded?
Honestly I respected you a lot more
than this. You claim that I distort, and you type something like this.
You take a cursory view of a very difficult subject
and make it like it is trivial and easy.

I will try once again if you really care:
Because I actually do. Why do you think Hitler and Germany
persecuted the Jews? This is not the first time Jews have been
persecuted and it is a very important topic of discussion as to
why... Very. The diaspora and subsequent persecutions is a
very important phenomena that seems to repeat.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

There is no point to
discussing this. it's not
something I am interested
in and I have no desire to discuss
the holocaust.

I never claimed to know
it all. But I do know that
Dimmy's statement, much like
his statement about the NY Post
and his thread where he presented
a press release as fact are dumb. But,
like you said, at least he puts something
up. No matter how dumb it may be.

You claimed to know a lot more about this
subject than you did.
Of course you are not interested in it.
You got in too deep again.

And its fine if you want to link two unrelated
discussions in your obsession with picking apart
another poster.

Politically, I happen to be much closer to yourself
and Dalkhani. But you guys have already done
a dance on him. Why should I?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You claimed to know a lot more about this
subject than you did.
Of course you are not interested in it.
You got in too deep again.

And its fine if you want to link two unrelated
discussions in your obsession with picking apart
another poster.

Politically, I happen to be much closer to yourself
and Dalkhani. But you guys have already done
a dance on him. Why should I?

I am not asking you to do a dance on Timmig. No one did. You injected yourself into this as is your right. I didnt see Dahoss mention ever once that he was an expert nor did I. Your claim is false.

I have fun with Timmig. I actually find his lack of a clue rather charming. It doesnt change the fact that what you and he are claiming is wrong.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I am not asking you to do a dance on Timmig. No one did. You injected yourself into this as is your right. I didnt see Dahoss mention ever once that he was an expert nor did I. Your claim is false.

I have fun with Timmig. I actually find his lack of a clue rather charming. It doesnt change the fact that what you and he are claiming is wrong.

Prove me wrong then..stop flapping your gums and do some honest scholarship! I seriously don't think you can..or will.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I am not asking you to do a dance on Timmig. No one did. You injected yourself into this as is your right. I didnt see Dahoss mention ever once that he was an expert nor did I. Your claim is false.

I have fun with Timmig. I actually find his lack of a clue rather charming. It doesnt change the fact that what you and he are claiming is wrong.

Explain how...
I will show you what you are claiming
is such a skimming view of what happened
that one learns nothing.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Explain how...
I will show you what you are claiming
is such a skimming view of what happened
that one learns nothing.

Have you even seen the original post? Why dont you check it out and come back and debate. You have no idea what you are even debating about without reading the quote...although im sure you will find a reason regardless.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please show me where I
claimed to know a lot about the
Holocaust? I never have. I just
know a dumb comment when I see
one. Get a grip man. The Robin
Hood stuff is so old.

THAT's One of your problems,Hoss, you think Robin Hood is "old". Explains alot

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Dude, what are you talking about? Can you read? You seem to think that age=smart. It doesn't. The same dumbfucl<s that were morons when they were young, are morons when they get old. Even the guy that is defending you here said you don't provide good sources of information. The best thing he could say about you is "at least he puts something up."

Wow, that's a ringing endorsement if I've ever heard one. So enjoy the pity party.

The mere fact(proven by you) that you don't understand the Robin Hood stuff is proof enough. Don't care how old or young you are(you are about 30 if I remember..no matter) if you don't expand beyond the soundbites of your generation, you will have lost more than an arguement. Pity not enclosed..get your own!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Blah blah blah. You don't get it. You're too young. I'm smart. I'm 59. I'm retired. The New York Post is a liberal news organization. Press releases are facts. Blah blah blah.

That isn't what I said or implied...it's what you projected in your futlie attempt to make sense. Sad..really sad
It possible you have ADHD...you don't like to read long sentences...there's MEDS for that!

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Please show me where I
claimed to know a lot about the
Holocaust? I never have. I just
know a dumb comment when I see
one. Get a grip man. The Robin
Hood stuff is so old.

You are absolutely right.
My bad. You did not claim to know a lot.
You interjected a cursory view which does not
do the real situation justice.

And if you want to go through old acts... holy cow.
You try to get me to pile on a poster that you have
claimed to dance on... and then you take a simplistic view
of situation that I have thought a lot about... and read a lot
about, and talked to people who went through the damn thing.
It is a bit frustrating.