Swale....Winning Two Legs of The Triple Crown

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

How do you figure more than slight. They both won the FL Derby, they both won two legs of the TC. Swale raced more as a two year old. Swale was not alive to race post post Belmont. Please show me a compelling stat that shows he has more than slight edge.

perhaps you answered your own question-altho to say only that 'swale raced more as a two year old' doesn't really give him much credit. he did far more than just race more at two. swale won in how many stakes at two? how many before the fla derby? btw that was big browns first stakes score. how many did he win pre-kentucky deby?- i believe big brown won one. believe it or not roller, there's far, far more to racing then the kentucky derby. and swale won the belmont, remind me how big brown did in that race again?

swale wasn't a great horse either, his life was cut short so we'll never know, and he could be inconsistent. but i'd give him more than a 'slight' edge over big brown, just as i'd give swales peers more than a slight edge over BBs competition.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by Danzig

perhaps you answered your own question-altho to say only that 'swale raced more as a two year old' doesn't really give him much credit. he did far more than just race more at two. swale won in how many stakes at two? how many before the fla derby? btw that was big browns first stakes score. how many did he win pre-kentucky deby?- i believe big brown won one. believe it or not roller, there's far, far more to racing then the kentucky derby. and swale won the belmont, remind me how big brown did in that race again?

swale wasn't a great horse either, his life was cut short so we'll never know, and he could be inconsistent. but i'd give him more than a 'slight' edge over big brown, just as i'd give swales peers more than a slight edge over BBs competition.

To refresh your memory about the Belmont, Big Brown didn't fully race. It was speculated there was a myriad of problems. So I guess we will never know. I do know that he lef Da'Tara two zip codes away in the FL Derby so there is no reason to think in a month and half that Da'Tara completely turned the tables on Big Brown. Of course in the Derby and Preakness Big Brown was very impressive.

You may very well be right about Swale being more than slight. At the same time, I see many arguments on here about comparing horses who have never run against each other, from different eras, and how they compare. So I guess I will continue to question an argument like this when there is a real way to make that comparison seem credible.

But your experience in this field makes me take notice of your posts and I respect what you offer so I can learn from it. I appreciate that you take time to respond to my posts.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

To refresh your memory about the Belmont, Big Brown didn't fully race. It was speculated there was a myriad of problems. So I guess we will never know. I do know that he lef Da'Tara two zip codes away in the FL Derby so there is no reason to think in a month and half that Da'Tara completely turned the tables on Big Brown. Of course in the Derby and Preakness Big Brown was very impressive.

You may very well be right about Swale being more than slight. At the same time, I see many arguments on here about comparing horses who have never run against each other, from different eras, and how they compare. So I guess I will continue to question an argument like this when there is a real way to make that comparison seem credible.

But your experience in this field makes me take notice of your posts and I respect what you offer so I can learn from it. I appreciate that you take time to respond to my posts.

i know what happened in the belmont this year. and i've said before that i can't help but wonder what may have happened had kent ridden the horse in new york rather than freak out when the horse didn't take off like he felt was usual. they went over that horse with a fine toothed comb, and found nothing-other than the hoof of course, which everyone knew of beforehand, and that they assured everyone was not a problem. if the horse had any other problems, they'd have found them. his races subsequent to the belmont also showed that he didn't have issues, other than not being head and shoulders the best like some thought he was after fla and ky. maybe just a head better-but still better.