curlin is going down

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by RollerDoc

If the bettor believes Curlin is going down, and Curlin does go down, and the bettor bet against Curlin, how is this not a good opportunity to make some money?

Oh, it is a theoretical opportunity, but you still have to construct a winning play. The question is what exactly is that winning play.

[magic_idol]

All Great Horses have their knockers & when they finally loose they stand up & say I told you so !!!!.
Even after all the great wins that make a great horse

[blackthroatedwind]

Curlin is not a " great " horse. He's a very good horse.

[Holland Hacker]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Curlin is not a " great " horse. He's a very good horse.

BTW I'm curious who in your mind is a "great" horse? I know you and several others "blasted" me for saying Ginger Punch was great so I'm wondering what in your mind makes a "great" horse.

By the way did you lose the picture of GP or did you manage to hold onto it for the day?

[blackthroatedwind]

I actually have it....shockingly I didn't lose it.

Repeated superiority while running many fast races. I think greatness is very rare.

Look at it this way, while it is not his fault, what if Bernardini and Invasor had stayed around all last year, and Street Sense, Hard Spun, and Any Given Saturday had stayed around this year. Do you think Curlin would have had an unblemished record? Now, this is no knock on him, more an attempt to put things in perspective. Horses these days don't get the opportunities to prove their potential " greatness " but running mildly fast ( for top horses ) races while beating Barcolo and Past the Point doesn't make a horse great.

Do you think Roses in May was a great horse? Do you honestly think Curlin has shown on the racetrack that he is vastly superior to him? How do you think Ginger Punch would have done against Go for Wand? How about Inside Information or even Heavenly Prize? Forget them....she wouldn't have beaten their much less heralded stablemate Dispute. She may be " great " relative to her current competition but greatness has to be measured against history. Against history these horses are relative also rans.

Curlin would have traded decisions with Albert the Great. He would have gotten dusted by Street Cry. Lido Palace would have given him a rough time ( in his 4YO year ). This is no criticism, as these were exceptionally talented horses, but do you think of them as great? Being better than your competition does not make you great.

[magic_idol]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I actually have it....shockingly I didn't lose it.

Repeated superiority while running many fast races. I think greatness is very rare.


He would have gotten dusted by Street Cry. Lido Palace would have given him a rough time ( in his 4YO year ). This is no criticism, as these were exceptionally talented horses, but do you think of them as great? Being better than your competition does not make you great.

Man i need the drugs your on !!!!! ,
You actually believe that ,,All horses have a curve but the question is when all these horses are at the top of their curve who are Great & who are Talented no disrespect but wow if i was a bookie i would take your money & just smile when you handed it over at the race meet street cry vrses Curlin & think cool my family all gets steak tonight

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by magic_idol

Man i need the drugs your on !!!!! ,
You actually believe that ,,All horses have a curve but the question is when all these horses are at the top of their curve who are Great & who are Talented no disrespect but wow if i was a bookie i would take your money & just smile when you handed it over at the race meet street cry vrses Curlin & think cool my family all gets steak tonight

The emoticons don't hide the complete inaccuracy of your post. In fact, they accentuate it.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I actually have it....shockingly I didn't lose it.

Repeated superiority while running many fast races. I think greatness is very rare.

Look at it this way, while it is not his fault, what if Bernardini and Invasor had stayed around all last year, and Street Sense, Hard Spun, and Any Given Saturday had stayed around this year. Do you think Curlin would have had an unblemished record? Now, this is no knock on him, more an attempt to put things in perspective. Horses these days don't get the opportunities to prove their potential " greatness " but running mildly fast ( for top horses ) races while beating Barcolo and Past the Point doesn't make a horse great.

Do you think Roses in May was a great horse? Do you honestly think Curlin has shown on the racetrack that he is vastly superior to him? How do you think Ginger Punch would have done against Go for Wand? How about Inside Information or even Heavenly Prize? Forget them....she wouldn't have beaten their much less heralded stablemate Dispute. She may be " great " relative to her current competition but greatness has to be measured against history. Against history these horses are relative also rans.

Curlin would have traded decisions with Albert the Great. He would have gotten dusted by Street Cry. Lido Palace would have given him a rough time ( in his 4YO year ). This is no criticism, as these were exceptionally talented horses, but do you think of them as great? Being better than your competition does not make you great.

Ive read lots of posts on different boards on the subject of "greatness" and this is one of the best. Thank you.

To add a little bit, MDO would have no doubt beaten Curlin consistently at 9f. The Emoticon poster talks about grading horses at their best, but would Curlin's best beat Aptititude's JCGC? Candy Ride's Pac Classic? St Liam's woodward?

Curlin is a very nice horse and certainly accomplished. In the context of history, he doesnt even rate. In the context of the last ten years? He is not even top five.

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I actually have it....shockingly I didn't lose it.

Repeated superiority while running many fast races. I think greatness is very rare.

Look at it this way, while it is not his fault, what if Bernardini and Invasor had stayed around all last year, and Street Sense, Hard Spun, and Any Given Saturday had stayed around this year. Do you think Curlin would have had an unblemished record? Now, this is no knock on him, more an attempt to put things in perspective. Horses these days don't get the opportunities to prove their potential " greatness " but running mildly fast ( for top horses ) races while beating Barcolo and Past the Point doesn't make a horse great.

Do you think Roses in May was a great horse? Do you honestly think Curlin has shown on the racetrack that he is vastly superior to him? How do you think Ginger Punch would have done against Go for Wand? How about Inside Information or even Heavenly Prize? Forget them....she wouldn't have beaten their much less heralded stablemate Dispute. She may be " great " relative to her current competition but greatness has to be measured against history. Against history these horses are relative also rans.

Curlin would have traded decisions with Albert the Great. He would have gotten dusted by Street Cry. Lido Palace would have given him a rough time ( in his 4YO year ). This is no criticism, as these were exceptionally talented horses, but do you think of them as great? Being better than your competition does not make you great.

Why is Big Brown's name missing from this post?

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Oh, it is a theoretical opportunity, but you still have to construct a winning play. The question is what exactly is that winning play.

In my opinion is to throw out the top two seeded horses and pick two others that you think could (not will) legitimately win and play them across the board. Other than Mambo and Curlin, I see some very nice odds.

[Holland Hacker]

Andy,

That was a well thought out and articulate response. I now know where you are coming from and totally agree with you. Unfortunately we'll probably rarely if ever really see true "greatness" as horses are wisked away to the breeding shed so quickly these days. Hopefully the economics of the game change and allow owners to keep horses in racing longer, at least through their four year old campaigns.

Thanks for taking the time to respind and I hope you do well today!

HH

[cowgirlintexas]

Yeah.. he went down alright.. all the way to the wire

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

yes he did ..nice job curlin