Go Smarty Go?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by hrfan

Are you sure about that, not to long ago, like before Lukas/Luzzi popped with that big price Smarty, i remember ppl saying Smarty does not have a winner in NY yet.

Yes I'm sure. I use actual published results, not some whispers in the crowd eminated from the lemonade girl at Saratoga.

His only other starter in NY before the big price Lukas/Luzzi was Smarty Marty, who just isn't very good and was in way over her head. So he's 2 for 3 debuting in NY.


Also, who gives a schitt what they sell for at the sales at this point, other than justifying a yet-another ridiculous stud fee? I don't.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by philcski

Yes I'm sure. I use actual published results, not some whispers in the crowd eminated from the lemonade girl at Saratoga.

His only other starter in NY before the big price Lukas/Luzzi was Smarty Marty, who just isn't very good and was in way over her head. So he's 2 for 3 debuting in NY.


Also, who gives a schitt what they sell for at the sales at this point, other than justifying a yet-another ridiculous stud fee? I don't.

The horse was bred to a good book of mares many stakes winners and solid proven producers/ Out of what 125 foals 9 friggin starters WHOA!.. Listen I am a HUGE Smarty Jones fan and have the Litho's that 3 Chimney's sold framed and hanging in my office but to date Smarty has been a lame producer..Friggn Saarland is out producing him

[odbaxter]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The horse was bred to a good book of mares many stakes winners and solid proven producers/ Out of what 125 foals 9 friggin starters WHOA!.. Listen I am a HUGE Smarty Jones fan and have the Litho's that 3 Chimney's sold framed and hanging in my office but to date Smarty has been a lame producer..Friggn Saarland is out producing him

Sure, not all star horses will make star sires and vice versa, but calling Smarty a flop (even if it is qualified by the "To date"), is pushing it a bit. We're talking 6 months of results.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by odbaxter

Sure, not all star horses will make star sires and vice versa, but calling Smarty a flop (even if it is qualified by the "To date"), is pushing it a bit. We're talking 6 months of results.

He's standing for a stud fee of $100,000 and is 36th on the freshman sire list. There is only one horse behind him with more than a $15,000 fee (Strong Hope). People don't pay $100,000 for horses that might develop later so in that regard he's a flop "to date". He still could turn out to be an ok stallion but it's incredibly doubtful he's a $100,000 stallion.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He's standing for a stud fee of $100,000 and is 36th on the freshman sire list. There is only one horse behind him with more than a $15,000 fee (Strong Hope). People don't pay $100,000 for horses that might develop later so in that regard he's a flop "to date". He still could turn out to be an ok stallion but it's incredibly doubtful he's a $100,000 stallion.

Nobody paid 100k to breed to him.. Haven't we heard the "to date" argument about Point Given?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

He's standing for a stud fee of $100,000 and is 36th on the freshman sire list. There is only one horse behind him with more than a $15,000 fee (Strong Hope). People don't pay $100,000 for horses that might develop later so in that regard he's a flop "to date". He still could turn out to be an ok stallion but it's incredibly doubtful he's a $100,000 stallion.

They dont? Of the top 25 sires of 2 year olds, zero stand for 100k or more. Outside of Unbridled Song and Forestry there are really no sires known for early runners standing for 100k or more.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

They dont? Of the top 25 sires of 2 year olds, zero stand for 100k or more. Outside of Unbridled Song and Forestry there are really no sires known for early runners standing for 100k or more.

OK but Kingmambo and Awesome Again are the only six figure sires with less 2yo earnings than Smarty Jones and Kingmambo has 16 2yos.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

OK but Kingmambo and Awesome Again are the only six figure sires with less 2yo earnings than Smarty Jones and Kingmambo has 16 2yos.

The one thing that people forget when dealing with first year stallions with a high fee is the mares they get are generally good ones who produce or were stakes winners going long. The cheaper stallions get the cheap speed mares that are more apt to run early not to mention that trainers take their time with more expensive horses as opposed to the cheaper ones. You cant truly sires abilities until they have at least three crops running unless they are extraordinary or awful.

[Scurlogue Champ]

Originally Posted by philcski

Yes I'm sure. I use actual published results, not some whispers in the crowd eminated from the lemonade girl at Saratoga.

His only other starter in NY before the big price Lukas/Luzzi was Smarty Marty, who just isn't very good and was in way over her head. So he's 2 for 3 debuting in NY.


Also, who gives a schitt what they sell for at the sales at this point, other than justifying a yet-another ridiculous stud fee? I don't.

Maybe he'll start going southern hemisphere and rocking them down under