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[wiphan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

The O-Line has been a disappointment so far, but it's far from terrible. Favre has other good WR's in Smith and Stuckey, plus starter caliber TE's in Keller and Baker. The defense is not bad and Brett will be fine. We got beaten up by a desperate team that many had winning the Super Bowl before the season. Not quite as rough as, say, losing 38-13 to the Dolphins at home.
If Arizona beats us Sunday, then I agree, push the panic button. If that doesn't happen, it's absurd to write off a 2-2 team heading into a bye followed by games against Cincinnati (home), Oakland, Kansas City (home), Buffalo and St. Louis (home).

Your right. The jets just lost to the team that got spanked by the dolphins at home, which makes them a far superior team and they have nothing to worry about. Having watched Brett Favre since 1992 you are in for a long year. He was a great QB that made his receivers better than they were earlier in his career, but last year his receivers made him look better than his stats showed. There is a reason why the packers moved on. Brett was sacked 15 times all of last year. At the current pace he will be sacked more than twice that this year. The packers protected him well and didn't let him get drilled. The Jets unfortunately don't look like they can do that. They should use Washington more and run some screen passes for him and try and protect favre more; otherwise it will be a sad end to a great career

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Your right. The jets just lost to the team that got spanked by the dolphins at home, which makes them a far superior team and they have nothing to worry about. Having watched Brett Favre since 1992 you are in for a long year. He was a great QB that made his receivers better than they were earlier in his career, but last year his receivers made him look better than his stats showed. There is a reason why the packers moved on. Brett was sacked 15 times all of last year. At the current pace he will be sacked more than twice that this year. The packers protected him well and didn't let him get drilled. The Jets unfortunately don't look like they can do that. They should use Washington more and run some screen passes for him and try and protect favre more; otherwise it will be a sad end to a great career

I don't know Sean..I think you are being a little harsh on Favre's current ablity and not giving enough credit to the fact that he just learned this offense..what...6-7 weeks ago? He can still throw the long ball as well as anyone ( Jennings could have caught that MNF throw against Denver blindfolded LY). Now, if he's going to work as hard as he did last year off the field to learn the system, I think he's still the same QB as LY, unless he gets killed back there, to your point. And with the Jets schedule, that should be good enough for 8-8 or 9-7. Now Hooves and the Favre bashers think he sucked LY and therefore sucks TY, but if the Jets wanted the same QB as the Packers had LY, I think they have him

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

I don't know Sean..I think you are being a little harsh on Favre's current ablity and not giving enough credit to the fact that he just learned this offense..what...6-7 weeks ago? He can still throw the long ball as well as anyone ( Jennings could have caught that MNF throw against Denver blindfolded LY). Now, if he's going to work as hard as he did last year off the field to learn the system, I think he's still the same QB as LY, unless he gets killed back there, to your point. And with the Jets schedule, that should be good enough for 8-8 or 9-7. Now Hooves and the Favre bashers think he sucked LY and therefore sucks TY, but if the Jets wanted the same QB as the Packers had LY, I think they have him

You make a lot of good points. He just looks old and tired to me, kind of like he did at the NFC championship game. He is getting killed back there as well. He is on pace to get sacked 43 times compared to 15 ly. That is going to hurt him. The AFC is full of weak teams right now and I think 3 teams in the NFC east are better than any team in the AFC so yes they have a shot and of course I want them to win, that gives the pack a better draft pick. I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You make a lot of good points. He just looks old and tired to me, kind of like he did at the NFC championship game. He is getting killed back there as well. He is on pace to get sacked 43 times compared to 15 ly. That is going to hurt him. The AFC is full of weak teams right now and I think 3 teams in the NFC east are better than any team in the AFC so yes they have a shot and of course I want them to win, that gives the pack a better draft pick. I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

I agree with all of that

Go Brets!!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

You may be right about the O-Line, but you're wrong about this.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You may be right about the O-Line, but you're wrong about this.

Have you watched Greg Jennings or Donald Driver play? Greg Jennings will soon prove to be a top 5 wr in the league. A healthy Ryan Grant is far superior than TJ. Ryan grant has the same yards per carry as TJ and is not 100% right now. Greg Jennings leads the NFL in receiving yards. Where do you think you are better?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Have you watched Greg Jennings or Donald Driver play? Greg Jennings will soon prove to be a top 5 wr in the league. A healthy Ryan Grant is far superior than TJ. Ryan grant has the same yards per carry as TJ and is not 100% right now. Greg Jennings leads the NFL in receiving yards. Where do you think you are better?

Jennings and Driver are good, but Cotchery and Coles are underrated and both #1 WR material, and Smith, Stuckey, Baker and Keller can all play.

TJ and Grant may be a push, but Leon is way better than anything you have behind Grant.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You may be right about the O-Line, but you're wrong about this.

Grant's not healthy so I'll give that a push, but top to bottom the Packers have the best WRs in the NFL, IMO (obviously)

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Grant's not healthy so I'll give that a push, but top to bottom the Packers have the best WRs in the NFL, IMO (obviously)

too bad about al harris....

[declansharbor]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Grant's not healthy so I'll give that a push, but top to bottom the Packers have the best WRs in the NFL, IMO (obviously)

I'm not sure the Pack is above them, but they are right there with the Cardinals for the best corps.

As for the RB's, I would agree that it's a push, although neither team has a top 15 back. I'd say the Jets have a better change of pace back in Leon W, but as a whole they seem even.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by wiphan

You make a lot of good points. He just looks old and tired to me, kind of like he did at the NFC championship game. He is getting killed back there as well. He is on pace to get sacked 43 times compared to 15 ly. That is going to hurt him. The AFC is full of weak teams right now and I think 3 teams in the NFC east are better than any team in the AFC so yes they have a shot and of course I want them to win, that gives the pack a better draft pick. I agree they have the same QB as ly, but they don't have the same WR's or RB's as the pack had which are far superior than the Jets.

And the only reason he won't get sacked 43 times is that he's going to start unloading the ball before he gets killed which is going to start turning those sacks into interceptions as the season goes on.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

im not bashing ly im bashing ty..hes done he throw to many ints and airballs imo..he cant scramble like he used to imo i feel he should have retired

[ateamstupid]

LOL.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Jay, you could throw 3 TD's against the Cards

[ateamstupid]

LOL @ me. Forgot how passive this defense gets when it has a lead.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree. But he looks a lot more comfortable today. I'm just open to the possibility that I jumped to conclusions too early. Wouldn't be the first or last time.

I just like giving you and Joey a hard time. For ya'lls sake I hope the Jets have a good year. I don't have a team that I root for as a diehard, but push comes to shove, I really like the Chargers as I am a huge fan of LT.

[ateamstupid]

Bench Favre!

[ateamstupid]

Eric Smith, you're a ****ing moron. The Jets need to cut him tonight. Sorry to Cardinal fans.. Hope Boldin is OK.

[Cannon Shell]

1st game I ever attended where both teams came out of halftime in the prevent defense. AZ scores 35 in the 2nd half and loses handily. Brilliant decision to throw across the middle down three tds with 30 seconds to play.

2 of favre's TD passes were to guys so wide open it was unbelievable.

[ateamstupid]

I just can't begin fathom how well Vinny Testaverde or Brett Ratliff would've undoubtedly done today. If washed up old limp corpse Favre could throw six TD's, there's no doubt that either of those two superstars could've thrown eight or nine!